London Jaeger
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It's interesting to see so many people who are not members of the Capreolus Club or undertaken the PDS1 have such strong and authoritative opinions on both.
PDS Level 1?
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Treedave
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As someone that’s done the pds1, do you now hold the “trained hunter status” required to sign off the inspection declaration on tags when submitting to an AGHE? I note that DMQ have moved this to DSC 2 now.
As for Lantra, Ukrs etc, it’s a pay to play scheme and when you look on the ukrs site where they list forklift training under arboriculture, it makes me wonder.
I‘m glad it worked for you and I’m all in favour of training improving stalking/stalkers.
The acid test for me is who recognises it in the real world, when Forestry England accept it for lease submissions then it’s giving me a return.
I wonder if the pds 1 has the 3 year “shelf life” that is common with many Lantra awards?
With all the talk of using it to help gain an FAC, I’m thinking it’s an intro course, like the BDS firearm awareness training?
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Woodsmoke
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I'm yet to be convinced he's actually shot at any, to be honest
I don’t have any strong opinions on PDS1, and to be honest until yesterday hadn’t even heard of it. If people want to spend their money that way, so be it.
I just find it decidedly odd that someone who registered a user name in February - and who by their own admittance is only just starting out in stalking - decided yesterday that their first posts on a new forum would be to tell everyone how they’ve got it all wrong and to question the credibility of an award that has been going since the late 90’s. To do this they resurrected threads from over a year ago.
Perhaps it’s just me, but it raises suspicions.
I’d be delighted to hear a credible explanation as to why they left 6 months between registering and making their first post.
Woodsmoke
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Not on your own there. Interesting how they've maintained radio silence since
Jagare
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Some of you doubters are missing the point. It's not any old set up that's offering this training its an academy. It's not for commen rif raf who take the Dsc courses. Plus the man in charge is a hero because he told us he was. What's not to Like? If I was living back in the UK I'd be taking that course like a shot 
.There might even be a chance to meet a celebrity stalker or two 
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.There might even be a chance to meet a celebrity stalker or two .
Magnificent 7
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Hadn't done the courses but Was a member of the capreolus club plus scheme.Working in London it was handy to kill a bit of time and I shot some lovely stuff.But I felt that the best ground was perhaps kept for the core team.Im no longer a member more due to free time after work and also I have since built up a little network of folk down here I can ring and pay for a bit here and there.Ita definitely a money making scheme and I'd say quite a successful one releasing some money from the city slickers wallets.With fancy trips and posh evenings out at swanky clubs.Nit for me I'm afraid I'm more a working man's club a rake of larger and a kebab.
jimmer.13
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I haven’t searched any previous threads on this subject so perhaps it’s been discussed before.
Going forward would anybody think or agree or disagree that something similar to a jagdschein course would unify the hunting shooting community. It seems to work extremely well in Germany and I understand that for many people who have been involved with hunting shooting etc for most of their lives would object to now having to take yet another course.
Perhaps grandfather rights could be granted for those already with relevant certifications but an all encompassing course in the future could be implemented to cover all aspects of hunting and firearms ownership.
I’m not sure how this could incorporate target shooters and clay pigeon and practical shot gunners and the like but just a thought.
Going forward would anybody think or agree or disagree that something similar to a jagdschein course would unify the hunting shooting community. It seems to work extremely well in Germany and I understand that for many people who have been involved with hunting shooting etc for most of their lives would object to now having to take yet another course.
Perhaps grandfather rights could be granted for those already with relevant certifications but an all encompassing course in the future could be implemented to cover all aspects of hunting and firearms ownership.
I’m not sure how this could incorporate target shooters and clay pigeon and practical shot gunners and the like but just a thought.
baguio
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How do you know who is a member of the Capreolus Club or has or hasn't undertaken the PDS1?
No, it would make hunting more exclusive isn’t necessary, the current system works perfectly well.
baguio
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WOW! Does it? The current system allows totally untrained people to stalk deer and potentially drag and transport carcasses with notifiable diseases across county boarders. That's anything but a perfect system IMO.
Oh my, totally untrained people stalking deer, whatever next?
untrained people shooting foxes and rabbits???
And of course no trained stalker ever moved or put a carcass in the food chain with a notifiable disease, did they?
baguio
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Sorry but you're just proving my thoughts on untrained people stalking. Your answer is quite worrying TBH.
Bavarianbrit
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I did the Jagdschein in 1998 and believe me there are few snoots or land grabbers with it. Firstly you cannot take on a hunting lease until you have had one for three years. Secondly most do it because of historical father or grandfather was a hunter or thirdly they just fancy it as a lifestyle choice.
Why on earth is it worrying?
baguio
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Foxes and rabbits don't carried Foot and Mouth, Blue Tongue or several other notifiable diseases. F&M shut down the UK in 2001. As a trained hunter you would know that! It's beyond serious!
So because there is a remote possibility of a disease not seen for 20 years (incidentally I was at agricultural college in 2001) then people without a qualification or the means to achieve that qualification should be excluded from the joys of deer stalking?
Your posts are a perfect example of the snobbery in shooting that will see it ended…..
baguio
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What's snobbery got to do with anything. The people involved in deer stalking clearly do have the means or do the stalk them with a hand crafted hazle stick cut out of the stool? If we want to claim that we're self regulating then the current system needs looking at before we drop the ball big time.
Sorry if that forces you to invest in your future sport on training rather than new equipment. Deer stalking will never be ended. It's one of the few field sports that can't be.
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