People say it but what they mean is "with a cc to". Subject to the normal "language is evolving" caveats.
Just had an unexpected home visit from 3 officers.
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Remember, you are a BASC member - if you are in any way affected by this other than to get several apologetic explanations, they will advise you.
The fact that you have written to your MP brings this issue out into the public and not simply between you and the Police.
It is by the generation of such concerns that the Police can control firearms owners there isnt one of us who hasnt asked ourselves if we should avoid complaints or avoid questioning the decisions they make.
There are however forces which deal reasonably and fairly with their FAC and SGC holders and benefit from their response - do NOT worry - you have done nothing wrong and you have the right to complain with 50,000 new covid cases per day.
Rasputin
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I think given the nature of the visit you are legitimately entitled to ask some probing questions it’s not normal behaviour imo and so long as all above board if they held it against you it would be discrimination plain and simple.
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Would agree you are well within your rights to ask why.
Jeff8861
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There are scenarios where a person is granted following extensive enquires as the applicant may have links to persons of concern through no fault of their own. On granting the FLM will inform the successful aplicant that they may be subject to one or two ad hoc visits within the next twelve months. If the applicant is not satisfied with this arrangement they can refuse. If that's the case the applicant will be refused and passed details in regards to the appeal process.
So there are a few reasons why feo or officers can turn up on an ad hoc. I suspect if you refuse to co operate the next knock will be an arv holding a revocation letter.
In regards to the op I have not heard of ballistic officers attending addresses without being accompanied by an feo a constable or any member of the licensing department. Nabs offer help support and evidence in regards to firearms ammunition and explosive. They do not do general enquiries.
Stalker62
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Alarmist nonsense.
Jeff8861
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No it's not I have first hand expirence of this
Stalker62
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Forgive me, it I appear short.
It is true, that in certain circumstances the ARV/SO19/SWAT will turn up.
However, this is in extremis.
Most firearms licensing issues are deal with by email.
A Guy Out West
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It seems likely that someone you know or someone that has heard of your shooting and reloading activities reported you to the police for some reason. Possibly someone that does not understand that what you are doing is legal. Perhaps someone with a grudge?
Jeff8861
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Arv are generly used as they have knowledge and understanding of firearms and their vehicles are brst suited. In addition they have direct access to the force armoury.
Urgent or complex enquires are not conducted via email especially when these enquiries or incidents happen outside of office hours. In these situations the force operation manager takes the lead in the decision making and revocation process.
Those of you talking of ARV's need to take a step back.
There is nothing to suggest anything the OP has done would warrant a response like that. Equally they will know he is not a threat, having visited.
Being concerned and challenging the right of the law to act outside the law will NOT elicit such a response - there needs to be an extenuating circumstance which, in this case there is clearly not.
My knowledge of the ARV's is them turning up at a shoot suggesting they knew there was no problem but a local stables had reported 'wild shooting'. They chatted; we looked at their guns; they left. They arrived at the shoot a second time because an old but functional shorgun without any registered owner or any registration on the national register was found concealed in a boundary hedge. It was taken awy and disposed of and a great deal more attention was paid when the shoot reported member of a specific community were around locally.
Dont blow things out of all proportion - a couple of letters will arrive and nothing more will be said or done. You are absolutely in the right.
There is nothing to suggest anything the OP has done would warrant a response like that. Equally they will know he is not a threat, having visited.
Being concerned and challenging the right of the law to act outside the law will NOT elicit such a response - there needs to be an extenuating circumstance which, in this case there is clearly not.
My knowledge of the ARV's is them turning up at a shoot suggesting they knew there was no problem but a local stables had reported 'wild shooting'. They chatted; we looked at their guns; they left. They arrived at the shoot a second time because an old but functional shorgun without any registered owner or any registration on the national register was found concealed in a boundary hedge. It was taken awy and disposed of and a great deal more attention was paid when the shoot reported member of a specific community were around locally.
Dont blow things out of all proportion - a couple of letters will arrive and nothing more will be said or done. You are absolutely in the right.
12gsnapcaps
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I work in the creative digital industry, I am a field leading fashion model.
Stalker62
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timbrayford
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In effect medical practices such as ShootCert make any lack of co-operation from your own GP or higher fees irrelevant.I can think of two positive developments which might come from this new statutory guidance.
To quote from Wednesday's announcement by the Home Office, and the statement included from the British Medical Association:-
Comprehensive statutory guidance has been published by the Home Office which sets a clear framework for police to follow when considering applications.
For the first time, police will be legally required to have regard to the guidance, to help improve standards and consistency across forces in the UK.
Dr Mark Sanford-Wood, deputy chair of BMA GP committee England said:
"We are very pleased that this new guidance reflects the BMA’s significant contribution to its lengthy and complicated development. Public safety is paramount and we are delighted that this finally sets the standards, clarifies the national process and provides a clear approach for doctors and police forces to follow.
As doctors we support the government’s overall message – that gun ownership is a privilege and not a right - and that firearms must be in the hands of only those who are deemed safe and responsible.We have been emphatic throughout the consultation period that clarity was needed over where responsibility for licensing and safety lay and this has now been settled, with the BMA’s points taken fully into consideration.
As we requested, this guidance states that doctors are responsible for providing medical evidence with the police force making the final judgement on the issuing of the firearms licence. Our close collaborative working with the National Police Chiefs’ Council has resulted in unilateral agreement on this point."
UK’s strict gun laws strengthened with new medical arrangements
New statutory guidance will tighten up existing laws on gun ownership and mean that medical information must be provided in order to obtain a licence.www.gov.uk
All police forces will now have to introduce the GP medical clearance form by November 1st, and follow the same licensing procedure by law.
All applicants will then be treated the same, which is a step long overdue.
The 1st paragraph of the BMA statement stresses that there is now a standardized form, and a system agreed with the Home Office and NPCC which all parties will follow.
As that's the case, surely we're now very close to the point where the BMA GP Committee can agree a fixed fee with their members for completing this form, so all of us pay the same?
However, apart from the marker on your records I don't see how this helps the police.
A devious but deranged person can easily fool medical professionals into believing that they are sound of mind and what the police really need to know is if your are going to become unsound over the life of the certificate, a challenge apparently beyond current medical knowledge!
Perhaps we will be compelled to undergo 6-monthly Ministry Of Mental Heath tests to permit retaining our kit.
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Please pardon my ignorance but I think I may have an idea about the first bit - creative digital industry, something to do with computas and games for teenagers, but what is a field leading fashion model?
Do you model clothes designed for the field i.e. fishing and shooting?
You are not famous and are one of the guys who appears in the Frankonia and Deerhunter catalogues are you. You know the ones that always look awkward and don't know how to properly mount a gun or rifle are you?
Pellet Pinger
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Please pardon my ignorance but I think I may have an idea about the first bit - creative digital industry, something to do with computas and games for teenagers, but what is a field leading fashion model?
Do you model clothes designed for the field i.e. fishing and shooting?
You are not famous and are one of the guys who appears in the Frankonia and Deerhunter catalogues are you. You know the ones that always look awkward and don't know how to properly mount a gun or rifle are you?
This may answer your question.
12gsnapcaps
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Pellet Pinger has shared one of my earlier catalogue collections. Unfortunatly all the venison I get fed by Charlie Jackoby at black tie dinners has widened my waistline.Please pardon my ignorance but I think I may have an idea about the first bit - creative digital industry, something to do with computas and games for teenagers, but what is a field leading fashion model?
Do you model clothes designed for the field i.e. fishing and shooting?
You are not famous and are one of the guys who appears in the Frankonia and Deerhunter catalogues are you. You know the ones that always look awkward and don't know how to properly mount a gun or rifle are you?
latest modelling pic below.
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