The future is electric

[mealiejimmy]

Place your order now and you might get one in 4 or 5 years
The demand will be far greater than the supply
Rivian are a small company compared even to Tesla so, although the Rivian R1T does look like the dogs danglies, it's not going to be available in the UK or Oz any time soon
The Ford F150 lightning electric pickup will be probably be available in large numbers well before the Rivian

Cheers

Bruce

 

[kenbro]

So, for someone wanting to drive from Manchester Into inner city London (Avoid the charge) no pun intended) pretty regularly, which is the best option to buy in EVs?
Ken.

 

[mealiejimmy]

Tesla model S

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Kjm041]

So, for someone wanting to drive from Manchester Into inner city London (Avoid the charge) no pun intended) pretty regularly, which is the best option to buy in EVs?
Ken.

There are a lot of options nowadays so really depends on budget, type and size of car you want. If fast charge with a large reliable network is key then hard to go wrong with Tesla. Many good options out there though.

 

[kenbro]

Was asking because friends were today picking up a new Corolla.
Believe they’ve taken it on a rent basis.
Thanks,Ken.

 

[mealiejimmy]

Not sure I get the link between an ev that can go from Manchester to central London and some friends picking up a new Toyota Corolla

Cheers

Bruce

 

[kenbro]

Not sure I get the link between an ev that can go from Manchester to central London and some friends picking up a new Toyota Corolla

Cheers

Bruce

Bruce,
Thought you would have sussed the link.
The people that go from Manchester to central London often have chosen a Corolla.

There are a lot of options nowadays so really depends on budget, type and size of car you want. If fast charge with a large reliable network is key then hard to go wrong with Tesla. Many good options out there though.

We know there are plenty of options out there, that’s why I asked for opinions.
Was hoping someone might suggest a Corolla as that’s what they decided on.
Not everyone is as clued up on EVs as some on SD.
Thanking you,Ken.

 

[mealiejimmy]

If I needed to drive from Manchester to central London regularly and avoid the congestion charge, a Toyota Corolla would not even be on my list of cars to buy or rent.
And even if they bought a Corolla hybrid they would not avoid the congestion charge

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Sharpie]

The London congestion charge can only be avoided for pure EVs. Zero emissions (at the tailpipe) Not Plug in Hybrids, never mind soft "self charging" things like the Toyota Corolla, With only a 1.3 kWh battery, that make little sense anyway, under any circumstances.

And BTW, Manchester is going to introduce their "Clean Air Zone" in May 2022. Details are unclear as to where and what that means, but I'm guessing that a soft self charging hybrid might not tick all the boxes. Fundamentally such things are pure ICE cars, just a bit heavier and less efficient overall than a straight petrol version.

Other major cities are also considering such plans.

Manchester to London is over 200 miles. Which is a big ask for many pure EVs to do in one go, and that's assuming that you have somewhere to charge them up again for the running around, and the return drive.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

I suppose one could if one had a charging station at home, rent it out like Uber/airbnb to strange vehicles on your drive for a few hours when you are not needing it. It would up the availability of get you home boosts while the infra structure builds nationwide. Any budding IT startups out there?

 

[Sharpie]

Already being done. Or at least trying out the idea.

E.g. Rent out your electric vehicle charger | JustPark

Others are at it too.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

I wonder if that is Europewide yet.

 

[kenbro]

The London congestion charge can only be avoided for pure EVs. Zero emissions (at the tailpipe) Not Plug in Hybrids, never mind soft "self charging" things like the Toyota Corolla, With only a 1.3 kWh battery, that make little sense anyway, under any circumstances.

And BTW, Manchester is going to introduce their "Clean Air Zone" in May 2022. Details are unclear as to where and what that means, but I'm guessing that a soft self charging hybrid might not tick all the boxes. Fundamentally such things are pure ICE cars, just a bit heavier and less efficient overall than a straight petrol version.

Other major cities are also considering such plans.

Manchester to London is over 200 miles. Which is a big ask for many pure EVs to do in one go, and that's assuming that you have somewhere to charge them up again for the running around, and the return drive.

They’ve already started putting clean air zone signs up in our little (Greater Manchester) town.
Ken.

 

[Sharpie]

They’ve already started putting clean air zone signs up in our little (Greater Manchester) town.
Ken.

That mightn't be too much of a worry for many. More aimed at encouraging people to drive more modern ICE cars etc.

Not yet on the same scale as e.g. the London LEZ and ULEZ, plus the congestion charge (they are additive).

Seems like Euro 4 petrol and Euro 6 diesel will be the minimum required.

A nuisance for me, since my diesel car, and diesel campervan are both Euro 4 so not good enough. Dirty things, with no particulate filters or NOx reduction other than the EGR systems. A lot less to go wrong though, as I rationalise to myself, whilst knowing that they are far from clean.

And only one of my three motorbikes is Euro 3 (actually Euro 4), though I think there are ways to get my older ones re-classified.

Clean Air Zones

 

[Apthorpe]

That mightn't be too much of a worry for many. More aimed at encouraging people to drive more modern ICE cars etc.

Not yet on the same scale as e.g. the London LEZ and ULEZ, plus the congestion charge (they are additive).

Seems like Euro 4 petrol and Euro 6 diesel will be the minimum required.

A nuisance for me, since my diesel car, and diesel campervan are both Euro 4 so not good enough. Dirty things, with no particulate filters or NOx reduction other than the EGR systems. A lot less to go wrong though, as I rationalise to myself, whilst knowing that they are far from clean.

And only one of my three motorbikes is Euro 3 (actually Euro 4), though I think there are ways to get my older ones re-classified.

Clean Air Zones

I am delighted to report that my uncomfortably expensive euro 6 diesel is hardly any more efficient than my 18yr old Euro 4 diesel. I must admit the exhaust seems much cleaner though.

It's definitely not the time to buy an Euro 6 diesel. I'd have to pay and extra £5k now to get the same car. Best to hold on if one can.

 

[xavierdoc]

I drove Gower-Devon-Gower yesterday in a Model 3 LongRange. No charge stop, 312miles, 78miles spare at the end.

Used 58kWh. At my EV charge tariff of 5p/kWh this cost about £3.20 when charging losses and standing daily charge with my supplier is added.

I can't get a bus into town for that.



All the while listening to a great audio system, relaxing on autopilot, with Netflix, games etc if I'm stationary and supercar acceleration for overtakes.

The future is electric? Ergo the future is now.

 

[mealiejimmy]

Well done, 5.37 miles per kwh is some going!!

Cheers

Bruce

 

[nick.308]

"the future is electric"
maybe sir, but not today, tomorrow, or even next year. Im sticking to the good old sticky stuff out the ground

 

[nick.308]

I drove Gower-Devon-Gower yesterday in a Model 3 LongRange. No charge stop, 312miles, 78miles spare at the end.

Used 58kWh. At my EV charge tariff of 5p/kWh this cost about £3.20 when charging losses and standing daily charge with my supplier is added.

I can't get a bus into town for that.



All the while listening to a great audio system, relaxing on autopilot, with Netflix, games etc if I'm stationary and supercar acceleration for overtakes.

The future is electric? Ergo the future is now.

That is impressive! tell me what was the compromise? did you freeze your nuts off? drive like a snail?
how much was the car?

 

[Sharpie]

I drove Gower-Devon-Gower yesterday in a Model 3 LongRange. No charge stop, 312miles, 78miles spare at the end.

Used 58kWh. At my EV charge tariff of 5p/kWh this cost about £3.20 when charging losses and standing daily charge with my supplier is added.

I can't get a bus into town for that.



All the while listening to a great audio system, relaxing on autopilot, with Netflix, games etc if I'm stationary and supercar acceleration for overtakes.

The future is electric? Ergo the future is now.

That's what my two mates drive, Tesla 3 LR which they paid for themselves, £50,00 (early retired GPs). And have told me about similarly epic drives, which I believe. Though they drop off a bit at steady 70 mph motorway driving, but then they just boost them up a bit at a motorway Tesla supercharger whilst they have a loo break and a coffee., just in case they might run low. Usually home charged, obviously.

Relative is issued by work with the standard Tesla 3 (£43,000 list, though I don't expect they pay that for them, never mind the other financial things that a big company can take advantage of. Upon which she pays 7% Benefit in Kind tax. So for £3000/year she gets a Tesla 3, all expenses paid for apart from the 'leccy, which basically costs nothing. And I think gets a new one every 18 months, some sort of a deal between the company and Tesla, they are beginning to want to have some nearly new second hand ones in the supply chain as well.

If I had the ready cash I would buy one tomorrow (well OK, might have to wait until March next year). Probably a model Y though.