Otter spread

Granted mate but it would take a very determined otter to follow a mink and I’m not sure they are the predator killers some would make them out to be .That is to say they undoubtedly are aggressive in pursuit of food but actively killing other predators ,I’m not sure on that .
My use of the word Apex may not be correct, but my understanding is that Otters are at the top (apex) of their food chain and nothing preys on them in this country, that is why I thought it appropriate to use the word apex!
 
Like every apex predator , food supply will eventually limit population !, if there are so many causing so much damage to their food source then at some point their numbers will level out .
It must have been several hundred years since there was a predator fit to kill otters , (otter hounds aside ) Again just like other predators we fill their larder with dumb uneducated tasty food which keeps the numbers artificially high
 
Spot on sir .
Like every apex predator , food supply will eventually limit population !, if there are so many causing so much damage to their food source then at some point their numbers will level out .
It must have been several hundred years since there was a predator fit to kill otters , (otter hounds aside ) Again just like other predators we fill their larder with dumb uneducated tasty food which keeps the numbers artificially high
 
Like every apex predator , food supply will eventually limit population !, if there are so many causing so much damage to their food source then at some point their numbers will level out .
It must have been several hundred years since there was a predator fit to kill otters , (otter hounds aside ) Again just like other predators we fill their larder with dumb uneducated tasty food which keeps the numbers artificially high

There's at least one apex predator willing to kill otters, just prevented from doing so!
 
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Mink, otters, and cormorants have caused severe damage in commercial fishing ponds around here. One owner applied for a license to cull cormorants and was told he could kill two a year!

Mink are relatively manageable but keeping otters out of lakes and ponds is almost an impossibility. They are extremely good at getting through barriers of all sorts and the cost of properly fencing some quite large areas is prohibitive. Lovely creatures but they can be a real pain
 
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Mink, otters, and cormorants have caused severe damage in commercial fishing ponds around here. One owner applied for a license to cull cormorants and was told he could kill two a year!

Mink are relatively manageable but keeping otters out of lakes and ponds is almost an impossibility. They are extremely good at getting through barriers of all sorts and the cost of properly fencing some quite large areas is prohibitive. Lovely creatures but they can be a real pain
My cormorants license was for 2, up to 4 now the guy from natural England said just don't be caught with more dead than that onsite at any one time. I used to have to keep the dead ones for inspection so just kept the first 2.
 
Like every apex predator , food supply will eventually limit population !, if there are so many causing so much damage to their food source then at some point their numbers will level out .
It must have been several hundred years since there was a predator fit to kill otters , (otter hounds aside ) Again just like other predators we fill their larder with dumb uneducated tasty food which keeps the numbers artificially high
Wrong, when they ran out of eels, they dine on fish, run out of fish they go for birds, when they.... crayfish swan mussels mink cats the world is their Oyster. Just like Buzzards & foxes they will continue to do well, they scavenge, they are doing well on the waste that we throw at them, roadkills landfill sites kebabs, Plenty of Buzzards & Foxes in Norwich City centre & Otters too! Don't see too many fish or rabbits there though.
 
Wrong, when they ran out of eels, they dine on fish, run out of fish they go for birds, when they.... crayfish swan mussels mink cats the world is their Oyster. Just like Buzzards & foxes they will continue to do well, they scavenge, they are doing well on the waste that we throw at them, roadkills landfill sites kebabs, Plenty of Buzzards & Foxes in Norwich City centre & Otters too! Don't see too many fish or rabbits there though.
Well everydays a school day! otters eating kebabs ! 🤔
 
Mink, otters, and cormorants have caused severe damage in commercial fishing ponds around here. One owner applied for a license to cull cormorants and was told he could kill two a year!

Mink are relatively manageable but keeping otters out of lakes and ponds is almost an impossibility. They are extremely good at getting through barriers of all sorts and the cost of properly fencing some quite large areas is prohibitive. Lovely creatures but they can be a real pain
All predators can be a pain , however im old enough and been around poultry livestock and game birds to accept you cant just keep killing and killing to try to stop predation it doesnt work as as soon as you remove one another will take its place , at some point the acceptance that you have to be proactive and stop the access to predators has to sink in!
If you create a food rich enviroment and do nothing to prevent predators access in my opinion your just wasting your time money and raising your bp and stress levels , nature will allways win
 
Granted mate but it would take a very determined otter to follow a mink and I’m not sure they are the predator killers some would make them out to be .That is to say they undoubtedly are aggressive in pursuit of food but actively killing other predators ,I’m not sure on that .
I have definitely found a mink killed by an otter on a sandy bank on the river Frome.
 
All predators can be a pain , however im old enough and been around poultry livestock and game birds to accept you cant just keep killing and killing to try to stop predation it doesnt work as as soon as you remove one another will take its place , at some point the acceptance that you have to be proactive and stop the access to predators has to sink in!
If you create a food rich enviroment and do nothing to prevent predators access in my opinion your just wasting your time money and raising your bp and stress levels , nature will allways win
Isn't that the whole story of farming though, you plant a seed or a crop, some thing comes along slugs it, birds move in, rabbits move in, deer, insects, weather, its a constant battle against nature, & nature can be bloody cruel sometimes. You can either give in, or keep striving. I'm not a chicken farmer, but I do enjoy my own FREE RANGE eggs. These eggs are now priceless, about 7 times the price of gold. They're worth protecting.:)
 
Isn't that the whole story of farming though, you plant a seed or a crop, some thing comes along slugs it, birds move in, rabbits move in, deer, insects, weather, its a constant battle against nature, & nature can be bloody cruel sometimes. You can either give in, or keep striving. I'm not a chicken farmer, but I do enjoy my own FREE RANGE eggs. These eggs are now priceless, about 7 times the price of gold. They're worth protecting.:)
Of course it is however the point im trying to make is eg you have a nice flock of free range hens , you dont pop a shed down in a field and just let them fend for themselves . Going out 2 mornings later to find them all dead feathers everywhere then sit there to try to shoot the culprit , then restock after you have shot it only to have the same scenario repeat time and time again
No you try your best to provide predator proof accomadation for your stock
 
Agreed, & installed light sensitive battery operated doors on the coop, a solar powered fencer unit, snares, Fenn traps etc etc, & I go away for the weekend, & a freak gust of wind blows a corrugated sheet across the yard & lays it down across the electric netting, the doors open at 7.30am & a bloody fox is in there waiting, 15 minutes later & they're all dead. Sometimes you got to be a belligerent b******d to be a farmer. don't get me wrong, when it goes right its wonderful, if you keep livestock, sooner or later you will have deadstock. Its inevitable.
 
Fish & chickens are easy enough to replace, even if they are a bit costly, and you can fence to stop attacks, we have fenced plenty of stock ponds with nothing more than 5' chicken wire with the top 12" turned out at 45 degrees, not many problems after that. But what about the species that you cant protect with fencing. Like I've already mentioned, eels, swan muscles, moorhens, all these have been decimated since the reintroduction of otters, moorhens were very common up until that point in time. And what about birds like bitterns, hanging on by a thread, every brood lost is a great disaster for their chances of avoiding extinction in this country. I think it was a poorly thought out plan to reintroduce otters, but now the genie is out of the bottle!
 
Otters are an amazing animal. I think they have the best fur of all the fur bearers. I really enjoy trapping them when I have a chance. I caught one on Sauvies Island a number of years ago in a 220 Conibear, had it made into a hat. I get so many compliments when I wear it and boy is it warm, too warm for my area really. I have found that they love to eat carp. You will know they are in the area when you find their greenish vomit piles of carp scales. By the way, Sauvies Island was once a trading post for the Hudson’s Bay Co., they had a dairy there and traded for fur. I think it quite fitting that Sauvies Island today is a waterfowl and fur bearer Mecca
 
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Here in Lancashire. Lost all my koi fish into double figures 10 in total one night's work section of head all that was eaten
Glad too see them back but thier rise does create a lot of problems for many other things in the wild if we have another species beyond reasonable control and too high a population ( like badgers the highest density in Europe now and tge only nation without control )
 
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