Remington to pay compensation to Sandy Hook victims
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Meh, the US and UK governments are more than happy to sell chemical and other types of henious weapons to governments whose express intent is to use them against their own citizens in case of uprisings (Middle East/Saudi Arabia).
These are pop guns by comparison.
norcan
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Fully agreed, but I’d still say that Remington messed up here by aiming this sort of material at lonely kids.
Between this, the terrible quality control, and their deliberate production of rifles with a known safety flaw in the trigger mechanism to save five and a half cents per unit — then covering it up and churning them out for six decades while putting the blame on the customers were it killed because of it — it’s difficult to have any sympathy for that rotten company.
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Quite the opposite, Big Green should never have changed anything at all.
They went from the oldest and probably most loved gunmaker in America, which was a 200 year legacy, to a joke in 20 years.
If you are reffering to the Rem700 triggers, that's my case in point.
Anyone who points a loaded rifle at something they don't wish to destroy, and lacks the inteligence to unload it safely, should never be in posession of one in the first place.
Pressure cookers are designed to cook food
Lorries are designed to carry goods
Backpacks are designed to carry stuff on a persons back
Although all of these products were used in incidents that resulted in fatalities, that is not the purpose for which they were designed.
On the other hand, the ability to kill is central to the design of every firearm.
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Bruce
I mean, if you're ok with car manufacturers selling road cars by pushing 0-60 times, Nurburgring lap times, top speeds and power figures, or spirit ads implying that alcohol makes you fun, attractive and manly, or fast food companies suggesting that their products make you happy and sociable, or, or, or, then what's the difference?
Ads appeal to their target market. A lot of people who buy that type of gun (especially in america) do like the tacticool, pseudo-military aesthetic because it's oh so manly and cool. I expect they like fast cars, leather jackets, bourbon or motorbikes for similar reasons. There's nothing wrong with that really, they're all marketed to the same people with the same formula and I can't fault the Remington ad campaign in the slightest.
Don't believe me? This is how Dodge sells its cars. I can personally attest that this campaign was effective (but then I am very immature). I'd better drive carefully... 'cus I'd hate to hit someone in my car and have them play any of these back whilst I was on the stand...
John Gryphon
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A Guy Out West
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As with most things in life, follow the money. I’ll wager that the insurance company(s) thought that settling was in their best interest. Remington would have no way to force the insurance companies to settle. The insurance companies must have thought that this was their least expensive option.
alberta boy
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It will probably open the floodgates . The idea was floated up here after the Mosque shooting in Quebec . A supreme court judge ruled that it would be simplistic to assign guilt to an inanimate object , the individual who entered the Mosque was responsible for the deaths of the people there . He pointed out that a government has the power to ban weapons , and they have , but to assign blame to a gunmaker wasn't realistic . This happened around the same time as a lunatic encel ran down 10 women in Toronto . No one railed against the van manufacturers . The Remington ads didn't help , but I doubt it mattered much to the anti gun lobby in the US . They didn't like guns , or people like us , long before this happened . The rifle used at Sandy Hook was owned by the Mother of the mentally ill young man who shot the children . It was locked up , but he got the keys , took some firearms , killed his mother ( who is partially responsible ) before going on his rampage and ultimately , killing himself . You can't sue dead people , so Remington had to do . There will be some serious lobbying in Washington after this one .
AB
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Good points and its legal activism that has had an effect (in the US) on tobacco, pharma, environmental issues.
In effect, a legal settlement - esp out of court - is a cost of doing business, or just making the problem ‘go away’.
A bit like Andrew Windsor.
Bushmaster is a trademark of Quality Parts, which Remington bought when the founder wanted to retire. Quality Parts sold semi-auto AR-15s to civilians, which were identical, except for a burst-fire selector switch, to the M16 which they made for the US Marine Corps. In 1994, President Clinton tried to pressure them to endorse his bogus "Assault Weapons" ban. QP refused, and Clinton had the Department of Defense take away their Marine Corps contract and give it to FN Manufacturing in Columbia, SC. QP later moved to South Carolina, to get away from the political hostility in New England.
Every able-bodied man in America between the ages of 18 and 65 is a member of the militia. We have an inalienable right to own a military rifle and handgun. Some people believe that they have a duty to own military weapons, minimum amount of ammunition for each ( 200 rounds each being standard issue ) - like Switzerland.
Connecticut ( home of Sandy Hook ), and Massachusetts are the cradle of modern firearms manufacturing, precision, interchangeable parts, and mass manufacturing - all built on firearms manufacturing: Remington, Winchester, Colt, Springfield, Smith & Wesson, Sturm-Ruger, Savage, Stevens, L.C. Smith, Parker, etc. That went on to be submarines, radar, missiles, fighter planes, and helicopters.
Now these "woke" socialist wannebe Europeans have run most of these companies out, along with much of the other manufacturing. Most of them don't know where the great wealth of their ancestors came from, much less where it went.
Every able-bodied man in America between the ages of 18 and 65 is a member of the militia. We have an inalienable right to own a military rifle and handgun. Some people believe that they have a duty to own military weapons, minimum amount of ammunition for each ( 200 rounds each being standard issue ) - like Switzerland.
Connecticut ( home of Sandy Hook ), and Massachusetts are the cradle of modern firearms manufacturing, precision, interchangeable parts, and mass manufacturing - all built on firearms manufacturing: Remington, Winchester, Colt, Springfield, Smith & Wesson, Sturm-Ruger, Savage, Stevens, L.C. Smith, Parker, etc. That went on to be submarines, radar, missiles, fighter planes, and helicopters.
Now these "woke" socialist wannebe Europeans have run most of these companies out, along with much of the other manufacturing. Most of them don't know where the great wealth of their ancestors came from, much less where it went.
These actions brought on by greedy Lawyers as class actions are no better than blackmail, the firms involved settle out of court usually to prevent more claims, as if it is proved they are actually at fault it will open the floodgates to further claims, they virtually have no option but to settle out of court and the Lawyers know this, no doubt one of these days a mass murderer will sue the Gunmaker, because if they hadn't made the gun he could not have killed anyone.
i would not be surprised if the families now go after the school for lack of security.
We are seeing this sort of thing in our own courts, class actions, bound to win, for instance a class action succeeded in a conviction against Jimmy Saville 4 years after he had died, which should never have happened because of the simple fact he was unable to defend himself ,having died, even though the conviction was probably right, seems against the right of Justice, and thats what happens when class actions are bought, because of the amount of people involved people think it's obvious that there was something wrong, another good case is VW and the claims that they somehow fiddled the emissions, I have always had VW's and they have never had a problem with the emissions on the MOT, I have never had a diesel car that has failed on emissions, after all we were told they were cleaner, but there are about a few million signed up to sue the firm VW, as there is with Ford, Mercedes, etc etc
Money Money Money the root of all evil.
i would not be surprised if the families now go after the school for lack of security.
We are seeing this sort of thing in our own courts, class actions, bound to win, for instance a class action succeeded in a conviction against Jimmy Saville 4 years after he had died, which should never have happened because of the simple fact he was unable to defend himself ,having died, even though the conviction was probably right, seems against the right of Justice, and thats what happens when class actions are bought, because of the amount of people involved people think it's obvious that there was something wrong, another good case is VW and the claims that they somehow fiddled the emissions, I have always had VW's and they have never had a problem with the emissions on the MOT, I have never had a diesel car that has failed on emissions, after all we were told they were cleaner, but there are about a few million signed up to sue the firm VW, as there is with Ford, Mercedes, etc etc
Money Money Money the root of all evil.
norcan
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A lot of it came from slavery, friend.
shakey jake
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wonder if the makers of the ak have an american office?
palmer_mike
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Really?
I’d be interested to know when that has happened within the last little while????
norcan
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Or cigarette companies using cartoon camels to convince kids that smoking is fun and cool… oh wait.
StephenToast
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If advertising is truly the basis of the case. I wonder when Hollywood or rockstar games will be up in court?
How many Remington 700's do you own?
If anything, the best feature of Remington Model 700 is the aftermarket trigger options.
The trigger 'hanger' mechanism is also much more secure compared to the single screw design favored by Sako/Tikka/Howa.
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