MAH
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I guess a lot of people have reacted to the headline, without reading the full article.
Remington to pay compensation to Sandy Hook victims
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I use to watch a lot of Westerns as a kid and if I could have got my hands on a nice Winchester lever gun to frighten the local squirrels rather than a pistol made of tin that fired spat 
I would have.
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Scotty99
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It’s all part of the Democrats master plan to curb gun ownership in the US. A big part of Biden‘s gun reform is to introduce laws that in effect make gun manufacturers liable for illegal misuse of their products. This along with banning semi auto rifles and high capacity magazines.
alberta boy
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Whatever you do , don't listen to Rap music ........ or watch movies like The Boondock Saints etc , like kids do . I think the current state of affairs is more to do with the breakdown of society rather than a firearms ad . Bad optics yes , but kids , and adults for that matter , are bombarded constantly by violent imagery on social media , in video games and in movies and television . Remingtons ads were a symptom , not the cause , of societal ills IMHO .
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alberta boy
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If any of my kids would've been convinced that they needed a gun to be a real man , it would mean that I'd failed in my responsibilities as a parent . If you look at what's happening in a lot of places around the world , this is what's happening . My children were very responsible before they were teenagers , as were my nieces and nephews along with the children of my friends . That being said , I live in a different world than most . I have seen a lot of young people who's lives were a mess , their parents using the " they get this stuff online " get out of jail free card . It's simple really , get involved , raise your children to be polite , self sufficient and caring humans and things will improve .
As to impressions , most people who are anti gun already believe that anyone who owns a gun , and don't think that most of them differentiate between an AR 15 and your hunting rifle , are border line psychopaths . Welcome to the club .
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alberta boy
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That would make them bad parents , and in reality , most teenagers are 100% immune to it . I have to say brother , you seem to have a very negative world view . Cheer up , life is good .
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alberta boy
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Not much slavery wealth in Massachusetts or Connecticut. The wealth there was founded on developing precision machine tools for the firearms industry, which then enabled them to produce much better spinning and weaving machinery than the rest of the world had, which could be run by water power from the numerous small rivers there. That money built another generation of wealth insurance, first for shipping, then other commerce.
Slavery in America was mostly in the South, where only about 4% of the population owned slaves. Some of those people did become quite wealthy from plantation farming, much more hands on than the English plantations in Ireland. Even more wealth was built in shipping cotton, flax, rice, and indigo to England, France, and Holland. Most of the colonial settlers in America were small farmers, because the land grants which attracted the Germans and Scots-Irish were 100 to 300 acres for a family. As a matter of fact, many of the first slaves in America were white - Scots, sent there as political exiles.
norcan
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@Southern
While that all may be true, it doesn't change the fact that the US was founded as a slave-owning society. While it wasn't as widespread as in the South, there certainly was slavery in New England, and the American project profited from the practice in many direct and indirect ways.
And without discounting the effect of hard work and industriousness, let's not forget that all those colonial land grants were only made possible by the systematic genocide of the native population.
While that all may be true, it doesn't change the fact that the US was founded as a slave-owning society. While it wasn't as widespread as in the South, there certainly was slavery in New England, and the American project profited from the practice in many direct and indirect ways.
And without discounting the effect of hard work and industriousness, let's not forget that all those colonial land grants were only made possible by the systematic genocide of the native population.
Are you talking about Rome and its successor state Italy, or maybe GB and its colonies, France and its empire and so forth ? Its nice when you can differentiate for your own point of view.
To their great good America fought a war to end slavery in their own country and to a lesser extent W. Wilberforce pricked a nations conscience to end the practice.
Japan is probably the worst most modern nation to enjoy enslaving others - Burma railway and comfort girls from Korea .eg.
America may have residual problems but dont we all.
Mick Miller
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We're all modern day slave owners. You and everyone else has at least a dozen slaves working on products for your consumption all created within the PRC, everyday of the week, every week of the month, every month of the year. If we're not to romanticise the past, let's not romanticise the present either.
Norcan and MMiller - you obviously have a rather skewed view of the world compared to my own.
This statement is inaccurate and emotionally bereft "the US was founded as a slave-owning society". It was founded from religeous persecution in Europe.
As for modern day slave owners - rubbish, communism in a single statement. I would rather you made valid comments than emotional piffle but please feel free to disregard my opinion - it only has facts to recommend it.
Perhaps you might like to read this - Native American - Native Americans and colonization: the 16th and 17th centuries.
Please also feel free to "IGNORE" me.
This statement is inaccurate and emotionally bereft "the US was founded as a slave-owning society". It was founded from religeous persecution in Europe.
As for modern day slave owners - rubbish, communism in a single statement. I would rather you made valid comments than emotional piffle but please feel free to disregard my opinion - it only has facts to recommend it.
Perhaps you might like to read this - Native American - Native Americans and colonization: the 16th and 17th centuries.
Please also feel free to "IGNORE" me.
norcan
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Very true. And if you think the PRC is bad, just wait until you hear about some of the conditions in places like the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, DRC, and India — not to mention what goes on in American prisons and Amazon warehouses.
norcan
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Of course; what better way is there to get up-to-date ones?
But the myth of the US legal system being biased in favour of private plantiffs over corporations has been around for ages and has been heavily pushed by big business; there's nothing new there. The scales are very much tilted toward shielding companies from the effects of their actions, which is why the rare cases where they get penalised are noteworthy.
I don't want to veer off the topic of Remington's extortion by hostile state governments, because other states are suing Smith & Wesson, even without their handguns being used in any "mass shooting".
But I must correct you. American was not, "...founded as a slave-holding society", unless you are speaking of the Scot rebels sent to (New) Jersey as slaves, in the late 1600s. The colony at Jamestown was settled in 1607 with people hand selected for their diverse skills and pluck. Most of them perished, and were restocked in 1609 by another ship load of brave pioneers. Slavery later existed in most of the colonies as a temporary condition, which could be worked off. This was not only true for the English, Scots, and Irish indentured slaves, but the few African ones. The first permanent slavery was instituted by a black slave owner. Slaves bought their freedom or were set free by owners right up to, through, and after the War Between the States. ( Slavery was not abolished in the North until a bit after the war.) And most of the Africa slave trade consisted of one tribe enslaving another, selling them to Arab traders, who sold them to others who shipped them off. Most of those shippers were British.
By way of note, I am descendent some of those Scot rebels exiled to Jersey and Pennsylvania as slaves, as well as settlers of Jamestown. Some of their descendants were slave owners, some freed their slaves, and some were abolitionists. They all took up arms when President Lincoln blockaded their ports and invaded their states. Tens of thousands of free black Americans also took up arms against the Army of the North.
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