First entirely honest person on the thread…
'I just like killing things'
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I didn’t enjoy it:
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Woodsmoke
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I don't think anyone can be that dogmatic? Sure, we all kill. But I don't think you can categorically state that it's the actual kill we take pleasure in? Otherwise, where on earth does ethics come into it? I think the closest you can come to it is to state that it's the activities that lead up to, and the activities subsequent to the kill that's pleasurable, rather than the actual fleeting act of taking a life.
You just have to understand that some people have to kill
They aren`t bothered if its male or female
In season or not
Night or day
Its just a numbers game to them or to make money.
That`s what get the shooting and hunting people a bad name.
Its not the way I hunt but on some of the deer syndicates I been in some members
would take every thing they see night & day.
They aren`t bothered if its male or female
In season or not
Night or day
Its just a numbers game to them or to make money.
That`s what get the shooting and hunting people a bad name.
Its not the way I hunt but on some of the deer syndicates I been in some members
would take every thing they see night & day.
Are you sure?
You don’t have, ever, a moment of satisfaction when you hear the thwack, see the puff of fur and it tumbles over? A surge of adrenaline before you pull the trigger, followed by something that is often described as a form of euphoria after you know it’s down? In a way you never get shooting at a target?
If you really don’t like the actual kill, you wouldn’t do it unless you absolutely had to and had exhausted all other alternatives.
To say you enjoy the kill is different from it being the ONLY part you enjoy. But I think that completely denying that you enjoy it is hard, and probably dishonest at some level.
It’s not an easy thing to explain or justify, and sits very uncomfortably with modern sensibilities, but it’s undeniably there.
And I think most people become less comfortable with the kill as they get older / kill more, and become steadily more selective over time.
Don’t know how you can live with yourself, is that real blood behind its ear, no lambs for that one !
Woodsmoke
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Interesting point. I think there's a difference between satisfaction and enjoyment though, subtle distinction as it may be. But yes, I have to concede your point. It's a hard one to argue.
Woodsmoke
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Indeed. In my limited experience most keepers (not all) are coarse buggers with little time for anything other than their tip or their beer
Indeed. In my limited experience most keepers (not all) are coarse buggers with little time for anything other than their tip or their beer
We would like to think there is a difference between having a smile when hitting a deer perfectly and it tips up like a squashed bug with legs in the air vs. someone having a laugh and filming their terriers ripping a fox to shreds but in reality they are both sides of the same coin.
Animals (humans are animals) kill other animals, and each other. Trying to hide this in some way is like squeamish parents waiting for teachers to explain reproduction to their children through biology/sex ed.
The reason there are hardline vegans/'animal rights' people is that they fail to understand that death is simply the conclusion of one life which allows another to continue.
Humans dig up worms that they use to catch fish, which they then eat. Worms eat dead humans and the cycle continues.
Going back to my analogy of deer shooting vs fox destruction with terriers (which I believe is illegal now?), doing it quickly and efficiently is something to be proud of. Taking perverse enjoyment out of seeing suffering is not.
A well placed shot from a rifle should cause either instant or a very swift death, so very humane. Other weapons (like bows) are not as effcient but operator proficiency makes up a large part of lethality. Poison is very effective but not 'humane', although often necessary to ensure efficiency (pest control).
But I have to admit that nuking ants with a magnifying glass was great fun at 10, probably still is!
Woodsmoke
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I could only manage to connect on the moving target “slow runs” that were the woodlouse.Ah, I'd forgotten about that
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Bo Diddley
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Different times and different measures, They used what means they had to survive, just like we would in the given circumstances, they needed meat whilst it was available to see them through, so they killed plenty, the easy way. They dried enough to last them through the lean times, and used the skins and almost everything else as well. Same as the lot that lived in your neck of woods, they lived with the land and not against it.
Bo Diddley
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Different times and different measures, They used what means they had to survive, just like we would in the given circumstances, they needed meat whilst it was available to see them through, so they killed plenty, the easy way. They dried enough to last them through the lean times, and used the skins and almost everything else as well. Same as the lot that lived in your neck of woods, they lived with the land and not against it.
splash
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Bet not many kids do that now ! I spent hours toasting the little buggers
foxdropper
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No we’re sorting out the phsycos .
Heym SR20
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Once when I was a boy I was dispatched to my grandmothers chicken run with BSA Cadet to shoot rats, starlings and sparrows. I shot lots of them. Then I shot a blue tit. 40 years later I still feel really guilty about it.
I really enjoy the whole process of hunting, and there is a big surge of adrenaline, endorphins etc when you make a clean kill. And you feel very sick and very guilty when it doesn’t go right and you wound an animal and you fail to find it.
And as I have grown older I find the above feelings get more pronounced.
But equally the kill is a very small part of the whole process of management. I get immense satisfaction from helping to build a strong herd and keeping a balance of deer, trees and other wildlife.
And its why I get concerned and somewhat irritated by the “brown should be down” attitude of the SNP government and many of those who are carrying out contracts. Especially they start poaching deer.
I really enjoy the whole process of hunting, and there is a big surge of adrenaline, endorphins etc when you make a clean kill. And you feel very sick and very guilty when it doesn’t go right and you wound an animal and you fail to find it.
And as I have grown older I find the above feelings get more pronounced.
But equally the kill is a very small part of the whole process of management. I get immense satisfaction from helping to build a strong herd and keeping a balance of deer, trees and other wildlife.
And its why I get concerned and somewhat irritated by the “brown should be down” attitude of the SNP government and many of those who are carrying out contracts. Especially they start poaching deer.
RescueMe0007
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No, but it makes me envious, very envious!!
Enjoyment and satisfaction are not the same thing.
foxdropper
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Terrierwork is still very much legal in England mate providing a soft baying dog is used and the reason being to protect gamebirds .Nets should be placed over holes and only digging allowed is when terrier is “trapped “.Hope this clears that up
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