While you do that, I'll sort out the letters.No we’re sorting out thephsycospsychos .
'I just like killing things'
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foxdropper
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And the OCD feckersWhile you do that, I'll sort out the letters.
spannulman
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Not looking for an argument but I don’t necessarily agree with ‘complicated mental gymnastics’. It’s not the killing that is the pleasure of stalking but the hunt.
I enjoy the hunt, being in the wild places and the chance to shut out all other noise from day to day life. I get pleasure from a successful hunt but I can’t say it’s the killing that I enjoy. Killing livestock for example offers no joy ( as you would hope) but is a task that needs to be done at times if one wishes to eat them.
I have a book about hunting by a Spanish philosopher which is a little flowery and above my head but he makes this comment: ‘man doesn’t hunt to kill, but kills to have hunted’ ( or words to that effect) and that I feel is how it is for me.
Woodsmoke
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It's 'CDO'. It's like OCD but in alphabetical order, as it should be . . . .And the OCD feckers
Anyone on here who denies that they enjoy killing things is doing some quite complicated mental gymnastics.
Don't agree at all, I enjoy the stalker, I enjoy a successful stalk more, but the thawck of the bullet hitting the animal is the enjoyment of doing my job successfully and humanely, not the joy of killing. I am stalking to contol numbers and put food on teh table, not for the sake of killing.
Don't agree at all, I enjoy the stalker, I enjoy a successful stalk more, but the thawck of the bullet hitting the animal is the enjoyment of doing my job successfully and humanely, not the joy of killing. I am stalking to contol numbers and put food on teh table, not for the sake of killing.
Yes, we can be that dogmatic. I danced a jig of joy the other day when I shot a feral cat that I’d been after for ages, it had been killing my spotted doves (for fun) and that really REALLY annoyed me. I’m the boss of my land. I make the decision who stays and who goes. It gives me great pleasure to exterminate feral cats... And rats, stoats and ferret-polecat hybrids. When I shot that cat I had an intense feeling of pleasure and enjoyment. It made me happy. I shared my happiness with my wife and my neighbour by messaging them. Woo hoo! They were happy too.
The whole ethics thing is a confused jumble of emotional responses that vary greatly from person to person. We do what we need to do, to the best of our ability and yup, its ok to enjoy it. Bang! Thwop! Dead ya bastard! (Dance a jig). Gotta love it when a plan comes together. Many of you think I’m unethical for “sniping” deer at long range. I laugh in your faces, at the self-anointed saintliness of it all.
We are predators - very good ones. Just like dogs, some of us have a higher prey instinct than others, it varies from person to person. Seen all those YouTube videos of dogs whose best friend is a rodent / bird / cat / rabbit or similar? Try that with my dogs, go on I dare you.
Trying to define the differences in emotional response between us, as one is right and one is wrong, is a bit daft. Suggesting that a hunter who enjoys the moment of the kill is somehow maladjusted is ludicrous. Whilst we can all agree that the sadistic cruelty of a certain kind of retard needs to be dealt with immediately, the hunter or pest controller that does his or her job effectively, enjoys it and is proud of their abilities, should be celebrated just as they were in our past. That we don’t celebrate the hunter as we did for millennia, how they are now castigated and chastised, is one of Western society’s many steps towards its eventual, inevitable self-immolation.
If you’re wracked with self-doubt about the actual kill, the taking of the life, you’re one small step from giving up. Which is ok, we change as we age and sometimes that prey instinct diminishes and a different emotional response takes over. There’s a couple of old men I know who killed in mind-blowing numbers in their working lives, who don’t want a bar of it now, far happier to watch the animals from afar and leave the business of managing them to someone else. And that’s fine.
We are what we are. I hunt to kill, to manage my land and take whatever I feel like for my larder. I enjoy it. That’s a normal emotional response.
Woodsmoke
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You make some really good points. The above is the crux of it for me. There's a massive ethical divide between someone who takes pleasure in the killing to the exclusion of all else, and someone who takes pride in a more holistic approach to hunting
Perhaps another business you could try to make money from?
Bo Diddley
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Nicely said. and we know that that good terrier men don't like unnecessary suffering to the quarry or their dogs, it's a very efficient tool to have in your armory to deal with reynard!Terrierwork is still very much legal in England mate providing a soft baying dog is used and the reason being to protect gamebirds .Nets should be placed over holes and only digging allowed is when terrier is “trapped “.Hope this clears that up
Well bred terriers are a very significant part of the heritage of field sports that should be kept well worked and in safe keeping for future generations to appreciate.
Holistical pride shouldn't come into it.
Woodsmoke
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I think that's probably the only thing you've posted that I actually agree with. Fair play
Your opinion matters not a jot to me.
I have read and noted your many previous delusional posts on here and responded accordingly.
alberta boy
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Sensitive aren't you . A large portion of my family are first nations , most have a deep connection to the land and the game they hunt . A portion do not however , they don't care about the animals they kill , to them , they are objects that fill a need , nothing more . In other words , they're like everybody else . Personally , killing an animal is part of hunting , it isn't good or bad , it's part of feeding my family . I enjoy a good hunt , whether it's successful or not . As Jose Ortega Y Gasset said " One doesn't hunt in order to kill , one kills in order to have hunted " . Killing for killings sake is an act of meaningless , and empty , desire .
AB
John Gryphon
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Another Dr Hill diagnosis eh the *uck wot!
“There's a massive ethical divide between someone who takes pleasure in the killing to the exclusion of all else, and someone who takes pride in a more holistic approach to hunting.”
I can only begin to imagine the Home Office guidance to FEO’s if a section of the FAC application process was dedicated to establishing the Applicant’s predilection in this regard!
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I can only begin to imagine the Home Office guidance to FEO’s if a section of the FAC application process was dedicated to establishing the Applicant’s predilection in this regard!
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Bo Diddley
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I'm sure not too many people that know me would describe me as sensitive. I've been down several roads in my life, and am happy with where I am in the big scheme of things, Iike a few folks in this post when your young and dumb you chase the big bags but I don't think I've ever 'Just liked killing thing' .I agree with everything you've said, so we aren't too different, have a good day!
makes me wonder on the driven, flighted, and decoyed targets as for me and many others it becomes purely in the moment of mounting and shooting a testing sporting target that when crumples in centre of pattern very satisfying and pleasurable, less so if a runner, but pleasure in sending a dog if possible or appropriate.
When decoying second Barrell for those going walkabout does the trick, rolling over a fast bolting rabbit very good sport or fun, could be both but certainly testing targets at close range with 410 or any gauge.
If rabbit needs to be dispatched it gets its neck broken and I personally do not give it a thought all part and parcel, as with any game bird or animal, blood on the hands fur or feather.
Stalking deer with rifle different game until concentrating mind before and during sending bullet, and depending on shot placement either drops neck shot or runs on then drops, but now and again things can and do get messy.
So for me personally my point is I do/did relish shooting fur and feather which without philosophical debate I think means I enjoy killing or do not object to doing so.
Also enjoy all forms of legal hunting with dogs including every aspect and many types of fishing and have no problem tapping fish on the head, good result for me.
No doubt or cousins in Europe have a different approach and more of a hunting culture than ourselves , hunting is killing, not sure if driven, flighted, or decoyed is hunting but good fun/ sport with plenty of killing involved for those who wish. Does make me wonder that having since been in my pram to been kicked out of it the countryside has been part of my life which I both love and respect with field sports ( including copious amounts of killing and blood letting) been part of it from day five or six, if myself and others are by modern standards thought to be barbaric I can live with that
Quite self liberating to come out of the closet at last, and admit, yes I enjoy it, I am a killer right must go and eat something, all this talk of hunting has made me hungry and soon be night
When decoying second Barrell for those going walkabout does the trick, rolling over a fast bolting rabbit very good sport or fun, could be both but certainly testing targets at close range with 410 or any gauge.
If rabbit needs to be dispatched it gets its neck broken and I personally do not give it a thought all part and parcel, as with any game bird or animal, blood on the hands fur or feather.
Stalking deer with rifle different game until concentrating mind before and during sending bullet, and depending on shot placement either drops neck shot or runs on then drops, but now and again things can and do get messy.
So for me personally my point is I do/did relish shooting fur and feather which without philosophical debate I think means I enjoy killing or do not object to doing so.
Also enjoy all forms of legal hunting with dogs including every aspect and many types of fishing and have no problem tapping fish on the head, good result for me.
No doubt or cousins in Europe have a different approach and more of a hunting culture than ourselves , hunting is killing, not sure if driven, flighted, or decoyed is hunting but good fun/ sport with plenty of killing involved for those who wish. Does make me wonder that having since been in my pram to been kicked out of it the countryside has been part of my life which I both love and respect with field sports ( including copious amounts of killing and blood letting) been part of it from day five or six, if myself and others are by modern standards thought to be barbaric I can live with that
Quite self liberating to come out of the closet at last, and admit, yes I enjoy it, I am a killer
right must go and eat something, all this talk of hunting has made me hungry and soon be night
Today I took a young lad (man) out Rabbiting for his first time
He has shot with me (miniature range) for the past 5 years
I trust him with the .223 he held in his hands
I was able to share the wonder, excitement and tragedy of hunting live quarry yet again through him
Also a spot of buck fever …
I’m putting him on the FGASA game Rangers course next year
Though I suspect he might well end up on a PH course in the future
He has shot with me (miniature range) for the past 5 years
I trust him with the .223 he held in his hands
I was able to share the wonder, excitement and tragedy of hunting live quarry yet again through him
Also a spot of buck fever …
I’m putting him on the FGASA game Rangers course next year
Though I suspect he might well end up on a PH course in the future
Rewarding day for you both, hope the guy makes the grade and is able to progress in his field.
Rewarding day for you both, hope the guy makes the grade and is able to progress in his field.
It is a big challenge for him
Never fitted in with school, fostered out - a 6ft 4” lad confused and trying to find a meaningful place in the world
Bit like me but I’m a foot shorter
The course will be a major challenge but I’ll do what I can to help him through
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