Big Cheese Mouse bait

[Woodsmoke]

Our 30kg Podenko has managed to get hold of a 10 gram bait. I've found a bunch of crumbs, but it looks as though he's managed to ingest about 7 grams or so. Product is 0.0025% Difenacoum. Should I be panicking?

 

[Bo Diddley]

Message Millerich or one of the other vets mate, cheeky I know but they are all top blokes so it seems.

 

[Apthorpe]

(NOT A VET) I believe Vitamin K is the antidote. I'd be amazed if 7-10grams at that concentration would do any harm at all to your dog. Liver for supper perhaps.

 

[Woodsmoke]

Liver for supper perhaps.

I think Vitamin K1 is needed for treatment, and that's a prescription-only drug. We'll keep him quiet tonight, and get him seen to tomorrow for some blood work or whatever the vets decide is needed. It would just be reassuring to get some input from a professional in the meantime

 

[shakey jake]

Difenacoum is a very "safe" poison in dogs, at the strength i use an average dogs needs almost its own body weight to kill it. Im not saying dont panic,and its your dog your money but in theoryit shouldnt die tonight, depending on when the dog ate it, it might be a waste of time to induce vomiting but checking prethirobin levels and vit k are normal treatments.
If your conserned get a vets opinion, im qualified to kill rats not save dogs. My advice is just that.
Hope the dogs fine
As far as i know, nothing you can give the dog will help, maize isnt the correct vit k.

 

[Jon P]

Difenacoum is a very "safe" poison in dogs, at the strength i use an average dogs needs almost its own body weight to kill it. Im not saying dont panic,and its your dog your money but in theoryit shouldnt die tonight, depending on when the dog ate it, it might be a waste of time to induce vomiting but checking prethirobin levels and vit k are normal treatments.
If your conserned get a vets opinion, im qualified to kill rats not save dogs. My advice is just that.
Hope the dogs fine
As far as i know, nothing you can give the dog will help, maize isnt the correct vit k.

I would agree with Jake, difenacoum is a multi dose bait that needs to be ingested over a few days to take effect. But if in doubt , speak to a vet

 

[Woodsmoke]

Cheers lads

 

[VSS]

One of our terriers ate 2 whole wax bait blocks a few weeks ago. The commercial strength ones, not domestic.
First course of action was a couple of balls of dampened washing powder down his throat to make him spew it all up again, followed by 28 days of vitamin K tablets. He's fine.

 

[Buchan]

Should be OK at that dose. The LD50 is pretty high and this website suggests a wide margin of safety: Difenacoum - Vebi Tech

 

[StephenToast]

I had a terrier get into some rat bait, stronger than yours mind but he was fine for two days then he took a turn for the worse, was suddenly lethargic, bleeding from the gums.

Took him to the vets, they injected him with Vitamin K and he was fine the next day.

Personally I wouldn't chance it. Get the dog to a vet.

 

[Woodsmoke]

Should be OK at that dose. The LD50 is pretty high and this website suggests a wide margin of safety: Difenacoum - Vebi Tech

Thanks very much. That's reassuring!

 

[Millerich]

Only just seen this, and yes, difenacoum is one of the safer ones, with a dog needing to eat it’s own body weight in bait to get a toxic dose.

 

[Woodsmoke]

Only just seen this, and yes, difenacoum is one of the safer ones, with a dog needing to eat it’s own body weight in bait to get a toxic dose.

Thanks very much indeed! We'll keep an eye on the big idiot and get him in for a check up. Probably best we stock up on K1 tablets for any future incidents. Daft bugger stuck his long nose under a pack to get to it. Lesson learned, and I reckon I'll stick to break back traps from now on.

Thanks to everyone for their input!

 

[Buchan]

From a welfare perspective, snap traps are the best option.

Thanks very much indeed! We'll keep an eye on the big idiot and get him in for a check up. Probably best we stock up on K1 tablets for any future incidents. Daft bugger stuck his long nose under a pack to get to it. Lesson learned, and I reckon I'll stick to break back traps from now on.

Thanks to everyone for their input!

 

[Woodsmoke]

From a welfare perspective, snap traps are the best option.

Yeah, I had a couple of mice appear in the butchery and trapped them with the snap traps. The baits were more of an ongoing strategy, but there were no bait-takes until buggerlugs got his beak in. I'd stupidly left the door open, forgetting he's an incorrigible thief

 

[shakey jake]

Difenacoum at that strength wont be much of a mouse poison. The single feeds will work but multi feeds are too weak. Single feeds would be a big risk with a dog that steals stuff.
Stick to break backs

 

[Woodsmoke]

Difenacoum at that strength wont be much of a mouse poison.

The real irony is the only bait strike I had on the damn things was by the bloody dog! And in all fairness to him, if I hadn't latched the butchery door open he'd have had no opportunity to get to it in the first place. I've also got Tomcat blocks in proper bait stations around the place, and they've all been moved to make certain he can't possibly get into them.

 

[Bo Diddley]

alls well that ends well, I hope the dog is doing fine bud

 

[Jon P]

The real irony is the only bait strike I had on the damn things was by the bloody dog! And in all fairness to him, if I hadn't latched the butchery door open he'd have had no opportunity to get to it in the first place. I've also got Tomcat blocks in proper bait stations around the place, and they've all been moved to make certain he can't possibly get into them.

I never liked using blocks, they can break in half and rats can move them to different pleases, loose kibbled grain is a lot safer

 

[Woodsmoke]

I never liked using blocks, they can break in half and rats can move them to different pleases, loose kibbled grain is a lot safer

These are sealed within a tamper-proof container. Two mouse-sized access tunnels. Buggerlugs chewed it apart