Quality versus quantity

[quis1]

The Diamondback is the entry level and frankly speaking it's a superb bit of kit.

This is the Diamondback 65mm Straight, the electricity pylon is about 965 yards.

As the UK distirbutor if there's anything particular you want to know I might be able to help! (Happy to take more photos if you want to see anything like that!)

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Could you send me a photo of viper and Razor angled models that they do with the 85mm objective so that i may compare it was the Razor i was referring to and not the Dimond back sorry.

If you could get a detailed image of an animal in comparative position so I can see the detail would be great.

 

[quis1]

I tried the Vortex beside my Swarovski binos. I couldn't see a great difference. And now the Vortex are my first choice to take out. This may be the start of another thread, but I always ask about that last ten minutes more a supposed expensive bino will give you.1. Can you really see the animal properly to take a shot ?. 2. Would it actually be legal ?...J

Hi Andy/John I agree the vortex Binos are superb mine have done me well and really do give good image, just like to know if the spotters are also and what is really the best value for money over image quality out of the 3 angled 85mm objective models?

 

[Freeforester]

Might it depend on what one felt personally the main criteria was, and how much importance one placed on various criteria, eg colour rendition, lack of chromatic aberration, resolution, lack of vignetting, etc., as well as sheer robustness of design, as well as ergonomics? If you’re willing to ‘overlook’ (‘see’ what he did there - and again!) shortcomings in any of these criteria then there is indeed a large choice of types and prices to consider.

 

[willie_gunn]

Might it depend on what one felt personally the main criteria was, and how much importance one placed on various criteria, eg colour rendition, lack of chromatic aberration, resolution, lack of vignetting, etc., as well as sheer robustness of design, as well as ergonomics? If you’re willing to ‘overlook’ (‘see’ what he did there - and again!) shortcomings in any of these criteria then there is indeed a large choice of types and prices to consider.

This.

As has been said before, there are numerous criteria used when selecting optics (or watches, rifles, cars…..) including price, build quality, optical quality, post-sales service, resale value, ergonomics, etc.

Personally speaking, and as admittedly something of a perfectionist when it comes to optics, the chromatic aberration evident in the previously posted photo would have me sending the scope back in the hope of getting a better sample. This happens with camera optics all the time as individual, and apparently identical, models of the same lens can end up performing quite differently.

However I also recognise that many would quite happily overlook the problem, if not actually fail to recognise it in the first place.

Then again, what I perceive as a “fault” in the scope may actually be a result of the camera/phone used to take the photo, the quality of the digital image posted, the resolution of the iPad/laptop, etc. Hence why nothing trumps looking through optics under true stalking conditions, rather than in the middle of a sunny day at a Game Fair, when anything might appear to perform well.

At the end of the day we all make our individual choices.

 

[Bowland blades]

A good comparison - thanks.

It would be interesting to add in a good 6x42 and 8x56 - i would nt be surprised if they were better than the rest!

Where i think the “better” scopes win is the quality of build and in particular the turrets. S&B in particular feel very strong and smooth. Cheaper scopes just feel - well cheap. But once zero is set - just leave it alone.

I have never needed to compare accross brands as i simply dont put budget scopes on my rifles . However me and another guy compared the 8x56 and 6x42 S&B on moonlight through my eyes ( back then i needed no correction ) and his eyes ( He needed correction constant) both the same was the agreement one was just offered a lightly higher mag . Both are capable of moonlight and the human eye is the weakest link that looks through them . I always keep my eyes open for the 6x42 models as and when they come up , i find 8x and the extra weight / mount height a disadvantage on a true sporting rifle and the requirement for higher mounts .
you can make many rifles shoot far better than you need for deer but the same isn't true of scopes and " if you can't see 'em you can't shoot 'em .

 

[Freeforester]

This.

As has been said before, there are numerous criteria used when selecting optics (or watches, rifles, cars…..) including price, build quality, optical quality, post-sales service, resale value, ergonomics, etc.

Personally speaking, and as admittedly something of a perfectionist when it comes to optics, the chromatic aberration evident in the previously posted photo would have me sending the scope back in the hope of getting a better sample. This happens with camera optics all the time as individual, and apparently identical, models of the same lens can end up performing quite differently.

However I also recognise that many would quite happily overlook the problem, if not actually fail to recognise it in the first place.

Then again, what I perceive as a “fault” in the scope may actually be a result of the camera/phone used to take the photo, the quality of the digital image posted, the resolution of the iPad/laptop, etc. Hence why nothing trumps looking through optics under true stalking conditions, rather than in the middle of a sunny day at a Game Fair, when anything might appear to perform well.

At the end of the day we all make our individual choices.

Ha, I thought seeing things as clearly as they are might be a side effect of the ivermectin, but it could of course be the other way round…

 

[willie_gunn]

Ha, I thought seeing things as clearly as they are might be a side effect of the ivermectin, but it could of course be the other way round…

 

[Overlay]

Interesting read, out of interest what was the lowest mag used on what scopes

cheers

phil

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

My local Optic shop in Narberth opened at 7pm for me one autumn night. I was given the three Vortex scopes to try which Vortex said they were happy to send for me to appraise & tried them against high priced makes in the shop. Vortex were a clear winner on last light for my eyes. A grand or so more for five more mins, I'd rather keep the money & enjoy a second full day anytime.

What Vortex scopes were the winners?

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

To the op, no offense but your 60 year old eyes are not going to be able to make full use of a 7mm exit pupil in any event so there comes a point when the optics make no difference for you but might do for a younger eye

That doesn't make any sense, he's using the same eyes across all tests? His eyes are the known variable in the experiment and therefore he has a valid conclusion drawn on optics performance