Wild Venison Market

Your obviously in a part of the country where you have bugger all deer!
Correct. There are no wild deer anywhere near here. I kill deer for the sole purpose of producing venison. The more venison I sell, the more deer I'll kill, even if it means travelling to do it.
Mean while here in the real world where their a bloody pain in the arse causing hell and all crop and woodland damage we will carry on regardless!
Like I said, you want to kill them because they are conflicting with human interests, and human ideology of what the countryside should look like, not because they need killing. You could just leave them alone and eventually the population would settle down at a level that the ecosystem could sustain, with periodic peaks and crashes. It wouldn't be pretty, and I wouldn't advocate it in our heavily managed environment, but it does demonstrate that they don't actually need killing. Nature would eventually find a way. But in the meantime, being what we are, we kill them because we're very poor at sharing the world we live in with any species that causes us any degree of inconvenience.
We’ve been trading on the niche end of the market and the special status of deer and venison for as long as I can remember and it’s demonstrably not working. National deer herd numbers are up, prices are down and supply regularly outstrips demand primarily because of venisons niche market position.
Mince, cheap mince and lots of it on every meat counter, smoked shoulders, salami and sausages in the charcuterie.
We need it marketed as the carbon neutral answer to responsible meat eating.
Develop the market and it will settle at its own price level.
For as long as you can remember there weren't a fraction of the number of deer in the UK as there are now, and there were very few people selling venison even as a niche product. The number of people doing that is rising rapidly, and word is getting about, albeit slowly. It is very easy to sell venison now.
But yes, I agree with you about getting easily recognisable stuff like mince into the mainstream market, but that isn't going to happen without a mainstream marketing campaign by the likes of the levy bodies. And you've still got the issue of consistency - even after going through the mincer an August fallow pricket, a December red stag and a mid-summer muntjac are three totally different products, which is why farmed venison is always going to win in that situation.
 
The venison market is fortunately big enough to support all types of providers - it is when we get to price that we tend to see the difference in expectations.

The “whack ‘em and stack ‘em” brigade look at the price on the retail shelf and feel they’re hard done by, but the reality is that they are just pumping raw material into the top of the funnel. They will never get anything like the retail price when they’re not adding any value to the product. That aside, they provide an incredibly important service.

The more artisan provider adds much more value, and can hence expect a better price, but they carry significantly higher costs and they are unlikely to ever shift the same kind of volumes.

Expecting that flogging venison mince is going to revolutionise the venison market is a nice thought, but IMHO unlikely to be realised. Mince is a generic product with no differentiation. It could come from wild deer, farmed deer, MRM or whatever. It might shift some bulk, but it won’t significantly shift the price stalkers get from the AGHE.
 
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Just been into a Herefordshire farm shop where vacuum-packed diced venison was retailing at £10+ a kilo, venison steak at £19+ per kilo, (not sure whether wild or farmed, I was in a rush) - and pigeon breasts also at £19 per kilo ! Someone's making money out of game - and pest-control !
 
The venison market is fortunately big enough to support all types of providers - it is when we get to price that we see the difference in expectations.

The “whack ‘em and stack ‘em” brigade tend to look at the price on the retail shelf and feel they’re hard done by, but the reality is that they are just pumping raw material into the top of the funnel. They will never get anything like the retail price when they’re not adding any value to the product. That aside, they provide an incredibly important service.

The more artisan provider adds much more value, and can hence expect a better price, but they carry significantly higher costs and they are unlikely to ever shift the same kind of volumes.

Expecting that flogging venison mince is going to revolutionise the venison market is a nice thought, but IMHO unlikely to be realised. Mince is a generic product with no differentiation. It could come from wild deer, farmed deer, MRM or whatever. It might shift some bulk, but it won’t significantly shift the price stalkers get from the AGHE.
I disagree to an extent, most of the whack and stack want a miracle price thats not going to happen!

Then there are those of us who just want our larders cleared and get paid a reasonable price, so we can keep going.
 
I disagree to an extent, most of the whack and stack want a miracle price thats not going to happen!

Then there are those of us who just want our larders cleared and get paid a reasonable price, so we can keep going.
I thought your first sentence was what I’d explained in my second paragraph? If not, it’s what it should have said!

The next post after mine highlights the retail price of venison, which is what I keep hearing many on here (and elsewhere) complain about.

But what it didn’t explain is that the retailer has to do all the processing to turn a raw material into a finished product, they have to cover the costs of running a retail operation, do the marketing, pay the staff, etc. etc. So comparing the retail price to the price from the AGHE is comparing chalk and cheese. And retail as an industry is hardly a license to print money!

I also agree with you entirely - there are lots out there who are managing the vast bulk of the wild deer being culled, and are happy to receive a price that clears the larder and let’s them get out to start again. They’re the ones that are doing the hard yards in terms of managing the wild deer population.
 
Just been into a Herefordshire farm shop where vacuum-packed diced venison was retailing at £10+ a kilo, venison steak at £19+ per kilo, (not sure whether wild or farmed, I was in a rush) - and pigeon breasts also at £19 per kilo ! Someone's making money out of game - and pest-control !
What you mean is, someone's gone to a lot of trouble - and carried the cost - of prepping those carcasses and presenting them properly in front of the customer. At those prices they won't be making a lot of money.
 
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What you mean is, someone's gone to a lot of trouble - and carried the cost - of prepping those carcasses and presenting them properly in front of the customer. At those prices they won't be making a lot of money.
100% this what most forget, the bedazzle of the big KG price, but in reality taking in all the costs including labour (which most if not all freds in a shed dont do!) there is not a lot of gold at the bottom of the rainbow!
 
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What you mean is, someone's gone to a lot of trouble - and carried the cost - of prepping those carcasses and presenting them properly in front of the customer. At those prices they won't be making a lot of money.
I'm not qualified to comment on the ratio of profit to overheads for the venison (although it seems on the generous side!), but pigeons seem to be a nice little earner !
 
For as long as you can remember there weren't a fraction of the number of deer in the UK as there are now, and there were very few people selling venison even as a niche product. The number of people doing that is rising rapidly, and word is getting about, albeit slowly. It is very easy to sell venison now.
But yes, I agree with you about getting easily recognisable stuff like mince into the mainstream market, but that isn't going to happen without a mainstream marketing campaign by the likes of the levy bodies. And you've still got the issue of consistency - even after going through the mincer an August fallow pricket, a December red stag and a mid-summer muntjac are three totally different products, which is why farmed venison is always going to win in that situation.
You’re quite correct, the numbers of wild deer have never been as high, but I remember the BSE beef crisis and the total collapse of the deer farming industry in Ireland because it refused to adapt to the change.
There was a golden opportunity, venison could have been marketed as the new “no BSE beef” but the opportunity was let slide.
The current venison market is being saturated, deer numbers are increasing, we need to increase the market, everyone eats mince.
Its not sexy, not high brow, not traditional, but if you offer a packet of venison mince at an equivalent price to beef, lamb or turkey people will try it….at least once.
We need new outlets, theres more deer to be shot every season and the alternative is to shoot and leave it where it lies.
 
Just been into a Herefordshire farm shop where vacuum-packed diced venison was retailing at £10+ a kilo, venison steak at £19+ per kilo, (not sure whether wild or farmed, I was in a rush) - and pigeon breasts also at £19 per kilo ! Someone's making money out of game - and pest-control !
£1 more per kilo for primary venison cuts in Tunbridge Wells. It’s all about the demographic and imaginative marketing.

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You’re quite correct, the numbers of wild deer have never been as high, but I remember the BSE beef crisis and the total collapse of the deer farming industry in Ireland because it refused to adapt to the change.
There was a golden opportunity, venison could have been marketed as the new “no BSE beef” but the opportunity was let slide.
The current venison market is being saturated, deer numbers are increasing, we need to increase the market, everyone eats mince.
Its not sexy, not high brow, not traditional, but if you offer a packet of venison mince at an equivalent price to beef, lamb or turkey people will try it….at least once.
We need new outlets, theres more deer to be shot every season and the alternative is to shoot and leave it where it lies.

I have to ask….what role are deer stalkers willing to play to fund and encourage these new outlets?

My experience is that deer stalkers can all agree that they get paid a pittance, and are quick to ask for local larders and processing facilities, but ask them to dip their hands in their pockets and you’ll be crushed in the stampede for the door!
 
I'm not qualified to comment on the ratio of profit to overheads for the venison (although it seems on the generous side!), but pigeons seem to be a nice little earner !
So, how much does a pair of pigeon breasts weigh? Maybe 250g? So that would be £4.75 per bird.
Cartridges at 35p each, hit one miss one, that's most of the 75p gone. Packaging 15p, plus a bit for the label. Disposal of the unused part of the pigeons = 36p / kg, butchery disposables (sanitizer, paper towels etc), chiller running costs, premises costs, farm shop staff costs, promotion and marketing costs, etc etc. It soon adds up.
 
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I have to ask….what role are deer stalkers willing to play to fund and encourage these new outlets?

My experience is that deer stalkers can all agree that they get paid a pittance, and are quick to ask for local larders and processing facilities, but ask them to dip their hands in their pockets and you’ll be crushed in the stampede for the door!
You are on a roll tonight!

You are absolutely cock on!!!!

I have all the facilities because i have good friends who have helped me out, the only thing i don't have is a full butchery, don't want one and don't need one as i have no interest in processing!

I have a list as long as my arm who would love me let them to use my larder, obviously for free 🙈

Once lent my trailer to a stalker to run some reds in, came back filthy, un washed and not so much as a roll up as a thank you.

So now my facilities are permanently on lockdown and have been for some years.
 
I have to ask….what role are deer stalkers willing to play to fund and encourage these new outlets?

My experience is that deer stalkers can all agree that they get paid a pittance, and are quick to ask for local larders and processing facilities, but ask them to dip their hands in their pockets and you’ll be crushed in the stampede for the door!
Couldn't agree more. I'm amazed some stalkers aren't queuing up to take on some of the retail outlets on the high street in any high,middle or lower class towns.That are standing empty. This time next year Rodney. First rule of retail it's not what you sell, it's what your left with.
 
I have to ask….what role are deer stalkers willing to play to fund and encourage these new outlets?

My experience is that deer stalkers can all agree that they get paid a pittance, and are quick to ask for local larders and processing facilities, but ask them to dip their hands in their pockets and you’ll be crushed in the stampede for the door!
That's where the levy boards could step in. A compulsory levy of, say, two quid per carcass delivered to an AGHE, deducted at source, to be spent on a nationwide marketing campaign.
That's how it works for beef and lamb. The levy is collected by markets and abattoirs (deducted from the farmers' cheque) and passed to the levy boards who then use it for funding research, development and promotion of the products. There's no reason why their promotion of red meat couldn't include venison.
 
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That's where the levy boards could step in. A compulsory levy of, say, two quid per carcass delivered to an AGHE, deducted at source, to be spent on a nationwide marketing campaign.
That's how it works for beef and lamb. The levy is collected by markets and abattoirs (deducted from the farmers' cheque) and passed to the levy boards who then use it for funding research, development and promotion of the products. There's no reason why their promotion of red meat couldn't include venison.
I can hear the yowling from here over strictly 😂😂

You’ll here some noise from the stalkers then!
 
Well this whole venison price business does my head in! The price is going nowhere without some serious marketing, which costs. The stalkers who moan about prices should either pay up, shut up, retail it themselves or stop shooting.
I don’t disagree, personally i have never moaned about a dealer price!

I work in an industry of boom and bust, thats is the meat industry full stop!
 
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