Wild Venison Market

I was interested in the conference on the 8th of October but couldn't make it.

I spoke to a person that was there and apparantley the BDS chairman said that the BDS didn't want any connection with deer stalking at all because the bulk of their members are fluffy bunny huggers.

Personally, if I had ever been a member of this waste of space of an organisation I'd be boycotting them now. They are basically anti deer management.

How surprising, then, that in the latest issue of Deer magazine the same Chairman says the exact opposite with regards to their recent submission for the DEFRA consultation:

“Most importantly the BDS remains ready to engage with DEFRA to provide advice and guidance throughout the coming months to ensure that a consider, informed and realistic national approach to deer management is adopted.”

You’d also think this statement, similarly about their submission to the consultation, might be of interest to stalkers:

“The BDS recommend a properly run bounty scheme, potentially focused on female fallow and muntjac of both sexes, to support stalkers.”

It’s almost as though they’re interested in deer management……those bunny-huggers are going to be mighty disappointed!
 
How surprising, then, that in the latest issue of Deer magazine the same Chairman says the exact opposite with regards to their recent submission for the DEFRA consultation:

“Most importantly the BDS remains ready to engage with DEFRA to provide advice and guidance throughout the coming months to ensure that a consider, informed and realistic national approach to deer management is adopted.”

You’d also think this statement, similarly about their submission to the consultation, might be of interest to stalkers:

“The BDS recommend a properly run bounty scheme, potentially focused on female fallow and muntjac ofbth sexes, to support stalkers.”

It’s almost as though they’re interested in deer management……
What an organisation does on paper and what it does in reality are 2 completely different things, especially when it comes to money.
 
What is the point in doing that???

BDS are a membership organisation that promotes deer welfare and best practice but they have absolutely no authority to impose sanctions on someone that is not following their definition of best practice
I think you failed to appreciate Richard’s sense of humour!
 
How surprising, then, that in the latest issue of Deer magazine the same Chairman says the exact opposite with regards to their recent submission for the DEFRA consultation:

“Most importantly the BDS remains ready to engage with DEFRA to provide advice and guidance throughout the coming months to ensure that a consider, informed and realistic national approach to deer management is adopted.”

You’d also think this statement, similarly about their submission to the consultation, might be of interest to stalkers:

“The BDS recommend a properly run bounty scheme, potentially focused on female fallow and muntjac of both sexes, to support stalkers.”

It’s almost as though they’re interested in deer management……those bunny-huggers are going to be mighty disappointed!
Stop letting the facts get in the way of a good bit of jackanory rabble rousing! This is the internet not real life.
 
@StephenToast unfortunately you have been poorly informed. The closest the DBS chairman came to anything anti, was a shot at deer stalkers and there inappropriate tagging of pictures on the DBS social media alot of which are quality images put there by people who don't stalk.
This was a sentiment echoed by the speaker from Highland Game.
As a group of people we are all entitled an opinion but some are just ammunition to antis or just cause unnecessary rifts within our own industry.
Sayings like "rackem and stackem", "if its brown its down" or a comment on a picture of "it'd look better in my sights" do nothing to endear the industry to the public who ultimately are where the pound comes from.
Just like this thread is starting to look like a good old organisation bash.
 
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Correct. There are no wild deer anywhere near here. I kill deer for the sole purpose of producing venison. The more venison I sell, the more deer I'll kill, even if it means travelling to do it.

Like I said, you want to kill them because they are conflicting with human interests, and human ideology of what the countryside should look like, not because they need killing. You could just leave them alone and eventually the population would settle down at a level that the ecosystem could sustain, with periodic peaks and crashes. It wouldn't be pretty, and I wouldn't advocate it in our heavily managed environment, but it does demonstrate that they don't actually need killing. Nature would eventually find a way. But in the meantime, being what we are, we kill them because we're very poor at sharing the world we live in with any species that causes us any degree of inconvenience.

For as long as you can remember there weren't a fraction of the number of deer in the UK as there are now, and there were very few people selling venison even as a niche product. The number of people doing that is rising rapidly, and word is getting about, albeit slowly. It is very easy to sell venison now.
But yes, I agree with you about getting easily recognisable stuff like mince into the mainstream market, but that isn't going to happen without a mainstream marketing campaign by the likes of the levy bodies. And you've still got the issue of consistency - even after going through the mincer an August fallow pricket, a December red stag and a mid-summer muntjac are three totally different products, which is why farmed venison is always going to win in that situation.

You sir are the heavenly light of the deer management world, finding good in all aspects!

Unfortunately and I do wish it was not so, I and a few others are heathen’s and death to the four-legged fuzzy wuzzies 🙈😂😂

Who are most definitely heading to the great barbecue down south with the naked blondes! 🙈🙈
Watch them blondes they all have various STD's.
 
So if the main part of the bds membership are not deer stalkers ( which I find hard to believe) is it not great that every quarter they get a magazine that lands on their mat that includes some articles and adverts all about deer stalking/ management. And as for being nothing in it for the individual deer stalker try to think of it as putting back into the natural resource that you happily take from (enjoyment or money).
 
@StephenToast unfortunately you have been poorly informed. The closest the DBS chairman came to anything anti, was a shot at deer stalkers and there inappropriate tagging of pictures on the DBS social media alot of which are quality images put there by people who don't stalk.
This was a sentiment echoed by the speaker from Highland Game.
As a group of people we are all entitled an opinion but some are just ammunition to antis or just cause unnecessary rifts within our own industry.
Sayings like "rackem and stackem", "if its brown its down" or a comment on a picture of "it'd look better in my sights" do nothing to endear the industry to the public who ultimately are where the pound comes from.
Just like this thread is starting to look like a good old organisation bash.
If you want to be public friendly, the industry needs to be like it was 20 years ago, small, quiet, ethical and professional.

Everything it is not today!

Let us disappear back into the shadows and crack on like we used to.

Also the biggest demon is social media, sack that bastard as well!

That will kick all the “look at me with my big buck or stag” brigade a good kick in the horlicks.
 
I am afraid deer stalkers get the organisations they deserve - which is why there is no nationwide organisation run by deer stalkers for deer stalkers. Stick two deer stalkers together and they’ll likely argue over which day it is. Once they come to some kind of an agreement on that, they’ll then argue on whether it’s day or night!

The BDS is NOT a deer stalking organisation, and really shouldn’t be considered as such. It is a charity, whose aim is “to be the leading UK source of objective and unbiased information on the biology of deer and methods of deer management, humane treatment and control.” Criticising them for not always putting deer stalking first and foremost is to misunderstand their role.

So whilst courses such as DSC1, DSC2 and the Deer Manager’s course sit within their remit, so do many things that might be of interest to the “bunny-huggers”, or “people with a passion for deer”, as I call them.

Hence, for example, as well as the piece on deer management and the DEFRA consultation, the latest issue of Deer also contains articles on deer and drones, the origins of “The White Hart”, Sir Edwin Landseer, the latest Wild Game Guidance from the Food Standards Agency and the results of their annual photographic competition. That’s quite a mixed bag, but it fairly reflects both the aims and the membership of the organisation.

If anyone doesn’t like the fact that the BDS cares primarily about deer and deer welfare, that’s also fine. There is no compulsion to join. They are also very welcome to get together and establish an organisation focused solely on deer stalkers and deer stalking. Personally I don’t see it ever happening, but until they do they are really in no position to complain about those other groups that occasionally step in on their behalf.
 
If you want to be public friendly, the industry needs to be like it was 20 years ago, small, quiet, ethical and professional.

Everything it is not today!

Let us disappear back into the shadows and crack on like we used to.

Also the biggest demon is social media, sack that bastard as well!

That will kick all the “look at me with my big buck or stag” brigade a good kick in the horlicks.

Unfortunately what we see in terms of the current UK deer population is also the result of how things were 20 years ago. The deer population has expanded significantly over the intervening period, and the old ways simply won’t suffice.

Spot on regarding social media - every time I see someone gurning over a photo of a dead deer on Facebook I think “there’s another Private Member’s bill on its way to the House of Commons”!
 
What has happened over the last few decades is that social media and the snowflakes have been organised and their long game is just that, a long game. We have never had a true representation and an aggressive defence of our sport, I for one do not want to melt into the shadows and cracks to continue what we are doing, we need an organisation that will defend our position to such an extent that every organisation that tries to shut us down is dealt with legally,ruthlessly and swiftly..
I know that is not going to happen but I can dream..:(
 
What has happened over the last few decades is that social media and the snowflakes have been organised and their long game is just that, a long game. We have never had a true representation and an aggressive defence of our sport, I for one do not want to melt into the shadows and cracks to continue what we are doing, we need an organisation that will defend our position to such an extent that every organisation that tries to shut us down is dealt with legally,ruthlessly and swiftly..
I know that is not going to happen but I can dream..:(
You have more chance of a flying pig catching bird flu i am afraid.
 
@StephenToast unfortunately you have been poorly informed. The closest the DBS chairman came to anything anti, was a shot at deer stalkers and there inappropriate tagging of pictures on the DBS social media alot of which are quality images put there by people who don't stalk.
This was a sentiment echoed by the speaker from Highland Game.
As a group of people we are all entitled an opinion but some are just ammunition to antis or just cause unnecessary rifts within our own industry.
Sayings like "rackem and stackem", "if its brown its down" or a comment on a picture of "it'd look better in my sights" do nothing to endear the industry to the public who ultimately are where the pound comes from.
Just like this thread is starting to look like a good old organisation bash.
Maybe chinese whispers then?
 
If you want to be public friendly, the industry needs to be like it was 20 years ago, small, quiet, ethical and professional.

Everything it is not today!

Let us disappear back into the shadows and crack on like we used to.

Also the biggest demon is social media, sack that bastard as well!

That will kick all the “look at me with my big buck or stag” brigade a good kick in the horlicks.
I agree with a lot of what you post but my experience of 20 years ago was poaching out of control, carcasses sold to pubs which were road kill and unsanitary larders and processing. I have no doubt that this has changed now. It’s not social media, it’s the process of the internet in general which has both educated and corrupted us as a nation. Like you I generally kill what I see within the set down law. If I have customers then it’s sold. If not it’s in the freezer, eaten or gifted to people (think county lines). Either way the animal gets the respect it deserves and I sometimes break even!
 
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