Section1 shotgun question.

[martin_b]

Hi Guys,

Im going to put in a variation for a sec' 1 shotgun, I fancy giving practical shot gun a go with my club at Bisley, and maybe clays as well. However I'm also a total gun tart! so well as a starts with a B >3 shot semi I really want a Cosmi, just because I do. will I have to ask for 2 slots? Im guessing i will?

 

[GrahamK998]

Yep, all S1 are by specific 'slot' each requiring a good reason. One won't (should not be...) any problem with being a member of a NRA club, two may require a bit of wrangling, depending on what your FEO/FLM is like...

 

[skull hooker]

If you're a member of a HO approved club, the probation you did at that club probably covered you for full bore rifles, small bore rifles and M/L pistols. The FEO may require some additional training in practical shotgun.
In order to get two S1 shotguns, you may be able to wangle in an extra gun by virtue of the3 gun competition, which may need a slightly different (lighter, S/A rather than pump) S1 shotgun to the first, used for non 3-gun competition. Just a thought.

 

[saddler]

One of the best ways into this is to try it first.
Check out the local PSG clubs to you, possibly hosted by or aligned to the UKPSA, and also the venues with UKTSA (UK Target Shotgun Assoc) events.
I was in the former, now in the latter.....cost of membership is around £25 or so for the UKTSA

Most of these events will allow use of a standard S.2 shotgun, with most of them also providing the S.2 gun if required.
For the majority of comps and events, you will need to have attended a basic UKPSA/UKTSA PSG course; these are great fun and you will learn a lot from the course - and chances are you'll also come away having fired a couple of slabs of ammo in a very short time.
One of the fun aspects of the TSA is that they sometimes have a combined shoot, where you fire a stage with your S.1 gun, prove it clear, leave it open on a table, then move to a more classic sbs or double hammer gun for a slug stage....all against the clock.

Oh - I have about four S.1 shotguns, but only two for PSG - the others are pre-1988 shotguns of the smooth-bored military rifle type - but they retain their original 5 shot magazines so must be held on FAC now.

Happy to help by PM if you have any questions

 

[martin_b]

So to be honest I just fancy trying Practcal shotgun before Im too old, I have no ambition to compete. I am however fascinated by the Cosmi, so I might be the only person on the point with a cosmi, that would solve both problems

thanks for the advice.

 

[saddler]

Hi Guys,

Im going to put in a variation for a sec' 1 shotgun, I fancy giving practical shot gun a go with my club at Bisley, and maybe clays as well. However I'm also a total gun tart! so well as a starts with a B >3 shot semi I really want a Cosmi, just because I do. will I have to ask for 2 slots? Im guessing i will?

As to the slots aspect - that's best answered by "how easy is it to change the mag. tube on the Cosmi?"
IF it's a few screws or the like, then get the Cosmi on S.2, then source a new unrestricted mag. tube to swap over once you have been given S.1 permission.
Some shotguns have mag. tubes that are all but welded in place & impossible to swap out, short of return to the factory.

Plus - I'd never even heard of the Cosmi - looks very interesting
The most exotic PSG gun in this area is a mates multi-shot lever action with something like an 18" barrel

 

[8x57]

I've never seen a Cosmi in the flesh only on you tube videos.
I wouldn't have said that it would make a very "practical" practical shotgun, in fact far from it.

If you want to give practical or target shotgun a try wouldn't a cheap old Mossberg three shot pump, be the ideal starter gun?

 

[Defender 130]

As far as slots go for practical shotgun i asked for 4 and was granted all 4, standard tube mag semi auto in 12 and 20, pump and box mag in 12

Part of the competetive aspect of practical shotgun is loading at speed, some stages start with a loaded gun with a round in the chamber, some start with loaded gun and empty chamber and some start with completely empty gun, if you just want to do it for the fun of it and dont mind finishing last every time in every round then the cosmi looks perfect but with 100 moving parts making up its workings then it is almost guaranteed something will fail in quick fire competition use

 

[saddler]

As far as slots go for practical shotgun i asked for 4 and was granted all 4, standard tube mag semi auto in 12 and 20, pump and box mag in 12

Part of the competetive aspect of practical shotgun is loading at speed, some stages start with a loaded gun with a round in the chamber, some start with loaded gun and empty chamber and some start with completely empty gun, if you just want to do it for the fun of it and dont mind finishing last every time in every round then the cosmi looks perfect but with 100 moving parts making up its workings then it is almost guaranteed something will fail in quick fire competition use

But that's when the fun starts......!
Yeah to pick up on one of your comments though - UKPSA seem to be centred around 12-ga - the UKTSA allow most shotgun bores to be used, I even had a slot just before renewal for 10-ga slug

 

[urx]

Just dont try to use that 10g slug prone…..not if you want to remain on good terms with your shoulder anyway

 

[quarrystalker]

I've never seen a Cosmi in the flesh only on you tube videos.
I wouldn't have said that it would make a very "practical" practical shotgun, in fact far from it.

If you want to give practical or target shotgun a try wouldn't a cheap old Mossberg three shot pump, be the ideal starter gun?

What is the difference between Practical & Target ? I have seen the timed competitions before, but in all honesty rushing about against the clock won`t be as easy for me due to past motorbike injuries whereas shooting knockdown targets etc looks good fun. I suppose I could still shoot a timed event & not care where I finish, but shooting at differing targets/steel plates etc could be great fun.

Dan

 

[8x57]

Practical shotgun is where a single shooter engages numerous targets of varying size and type from various positions and distances and involves movement both across and/or down the range. Basically, a jungle run but involve numerous different shooting scenarios. This is done against the clock with the result determined by score and time taken. (More suited to the younger more active shooter.)

Target shotgun is far more formalised and is usually based on the old Police Pistol match and Service Pistol B competition matches with adjustments so as to be more suited to a shotgun or carbine rather than a pistol. Only now the matches are referred to as Timed and precision and multi target competition. These matches are usually shot in a detail or 4 -10 shooters or more, each shooting at the same time on their own single target or a pair of targets. They will shoot at a set fixed distance with a time limit. Once the first distance is shot, they will move forward as a line to shoot the next distance and so on until the formalised course of fire is shot. The scores are purely determined by scores on the target provided that no shots are disallowed. This is usually shot on turning targets that will only face the shooters for the prescribed time.

 

[quarrystalker]

Practical shotgun is where a single shooter engages numerous targets of varying size and type from various positions and distances and involves movement both across and/or down the range. Basically, a jungle run but involve numerous different shooting scenarios. This is done against the clock with the result determined by score and time taken. (More suited to the younger more active shooter.)

Target shotgun is far more formalised and is usually based on the old Police Pistol match and Service Pistol B competition matches with adjustments so as to be more suited to a shotgun or carbine rather than a pistol. Only now the matches are referred to as Timed and precision and multi target competition. These matches are usually shot in a detail or 4 -10 shooters or more, each shooting at the same time on their own single target or a pair of targets. They will shoot at a set fixed distance with a time limit. Once the first distance is shot, they will move forward as a line to shoot the next distance and so on until the formalised course of fire is shot. The scores are purely determined by scores on the target provided that no shots are disallowed. This is usually shot on turning targets that will only face the shooters for the prescribed time.

Thank you for the description of these events, I may look into these as they seem to be growing in popularity. Are there any other disciplines or spin offs, or is it just Practical & target that are the only available disciplines ?

Dan

 

[8x57]

Not quite sure what you mean by other spin off disciplines, target shotgun covers a broad spectrum for which the National Rifle Association claim to be the national governing body. They have in the past (not sure if they still do) run events where shotguns are fired at longer ranges, up to at least 200 metres but possibly up to 300 metres.

The main user of high-capacity shotguns in the U.K. has always been the police/military. Post 1988 the main civilian users were always practical shotgun competitors with only a relative sprinkling of shooters using these guns for pest control purposes. The NRA came to the game rather later with target shotgun but possibly "target shotgun" high-capacity users now outnumber "practical shotgun" users?
I can't think of any other disciplines other than the 3 gun events or cowboy shooting events that require the use of a high capacity (Section 1) shotgun. Both of these would no doubt be regarded as "target shotgun".

 

[scrumbag]

Martin, I did the NRA Target Shotgun course a few years ago and shoot Target Shotgun events at Bisley. Drop me a line if I can help.

Scrummy

 

[martin_b]

I'm trying to get on the NRA course but they seems to fill up as soon as announced.

 

[saddler]

I'm trying to get on the NRA course but they seems to fill up as soon as announced.

Check the UKPSA for courses, as well as the UK National Target Shotgun Association - any such courses have national recognition and are a fun & safe way to get into a new side of the hobby

 

[scrumbag]

I'm trying to get on the NRA course but they seems to fill up as soon as announced.

Yeah they do fill up quick.