If the law changed and limited me to 243 forever more I'd happily use it on any deer.
Is the 6.5 Creedmoor capable of everything a 7mm Rem Mag is? All game in the UK, including boar.
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My figures were from hornady superformance 129gr sst creedmore and federal 130gr soft point 270. Both are listed on their own website.Those numbers looked wayyyy off to me- so a bit of googling- numbers at the muzzle and 300 yards
143g CM 2315 1658
145g 270 2840 1955
Even at 500 yards the 270 has 200 ft lbs more energy.
As to the OP- plenty of others have answered the question
Adyb
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Energy misleading, bigger calibers generally knock stuff down a bit better pound for poundThose numbers looked wayyyy off to me- so a bit of googling- numbers at the muzzle and 300 yards
143g CM 2315 1658
145g 270 2840 1955
Even at 500 yards the 270 has 200 ft lbs more energy.
As to the OP- plenty of others have answered the question
Adyb
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No argument you'll kill them, bit iffy if you are shooting a lot in a variety of conditions - you'll get more runners
That's very very low for muzzle for the 143, mine were going at 2850fps ,home loaded and to be fair on the edge for pressure, but still going and grouping excellently
Creedmore seem very slow at the muzzle at only 2315!Those numbers looked wayyyy off to me- so a bit of googling- numbers at the muzzle and 300 yards
143g CM 2315 1658
145g 270 2840 1955
Even at 500 yards the 270 has 200 ft lbs more energy.
As to the OP- plenty of others have answered the question
Sorry, your meaning energyThose numbers looked wayyyy off to me- so a bit of googling- numbers at the muzzle and 300 yards
143g CM 2315 1658
145g 270 2840 1955
Even at 500 yards the 270 has 200 ft lbs more energy.
As to the OP- plenty of others have answered the question
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Sprocker101
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I have both and regularly use them on reds. As mentioned both will do the job, however if I’m after a rutting stag I’ll choose the 7RM.
Some of the valleys I shoot on means longer shots are the norm and having a red run 60m - -100m into a deep valley means recovery will take me 3x as long. Less likely to happen when delivering a bigger punch. Just my experience and personal preference of course.
Some of the valleys I shoot on means longer shots are the norm and having a red run 60m - -100m into a deep valley means recovery will take me 3x as long. Less likely to happen when delivering a bigger punch. Just my experience and personal preference of course.
They're energy numbers, not velocity.
I was discussing a bad outcome on the hill with a SD member by pm a couple of nights ago.
Red deer, shot with .300 WSM, 180gr at around 180m.
There is absolutely no getting away from the fact that it doesn’t matter how powerful your rifle is, if you can’t shoot properly you’ll wound and lose deer…
In the world of deer hunting it is quite normal to get two distinct populations of shooter. Those that use a standard short action cartridge, and those that use a “magnum” cartridge, normally long action but sometimes a short action WSM.
There’s one particular guy I know who some on here will recognise from the NZ forum. He’s 74 and a very prolific deer hunter. Out on the hill pretty much every week, usually alone, shooting and recovering red and fallow deer for meat, much of which is donated to those in need. His deeds are quite bloody brilliant really.
What is interesting is that from one week to the next, he will use rifles ranging from the .223 Rem to the .300 PRC, and several in between. He goes to great lengths to post the outcome on our forum with pictures of entry and exit wounds, vitals damage, etc, always with a clear description of range, angle and projectile. He often posts pictures of recovered bullets. Hence we get a really good insight into the terminal performance of different types of projectiles in different calibres and MV / energy. Some of you fellas would be well served to follow this content.
I can say that there would appear to be absolutely bugger all difference in his success rate no matter whether he is using a small 60gr bullet or a large 180gr bullet. And no, he doesn’t headshoot.
Shot placement, every time.
So the answer to the question is still yes.
Te affr
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Something up there then as you have said 145 for the .270?
This lists the 130 gr 270 at 1566 ft-lb at 300 which puts the creedmoor higher.
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My own 129gr ABLR load out of the creedmoor is at 1755 at that range…..
The above federal load is at 1000 ft-lb by 500 yards, my creedmoor load is above 1350!
.270 suffers from having plenty of legs hampered by generally poor BC bullets. With the creedmoor it’s not the cartridge it’s the high bc bullets it throws that make it shine at range and/or in the wind.
Pit either of them in the right place and the deer will fall over.
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Yes, thats what i said originally. At 300yds the 129 hornady superformance creed has more enrgy than the 130gr 270 federal.Something up there then as you have said 145 for the .270?
This lists the 130 gr 270 at 1566 ft-lb at 300 which puts the creedmoor higher.
Buy Power-Shok Rifle 270 Win Ammo | 130 Grain, 3060 FPS | Federal
Shopping for the Power-Shok Rifle, 270 Win, 130 Grain, Jacketed Soft Point, 3060 fps - Learn more about the latest Power-Shok and other hunting or shooting gear at Federal Ammunition.
My own 129gr ABLR load out of the creedmoor is at 1755 at that range…..
Sorry I’m confusing 2 people.
The other chaps is quoting a seemingly hotly loaded .270 with one of the few high BC bullets for .270.
Yes, it can get quite confusing at times, I think its an age thing!
norcan
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Let’s see what happens when we compare the same ammo type…
.270 130-gr Hornady Superformance SST
6.5 CM 129-gr SST
And their .270 Superformance load with the 140-grain SST bullet, which is a fairer comparison in terms of BC, drops 35.4” and gives 1487 ft-lbs at 500 yards.
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John Gryphon
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What it boils down to is the actual energy figures,the 7mm RM creams the 6.5 CM in energy....more energy .... more stopping.
A 1000 ft lbs more is a schitt load... for those that dont know a ft lb is a one pound weight dropped from a height of one foot. That 1000 extra ft lbs really means something eh wot!
Monocle back in fob.
A 1000 ft lbs more is a schitt load... for those that dont know a ft lb is a one pound weight dropped from a height of one foot. That 1000 extra ft lbs really means something eh wot!
Monocle back in fob.
billy_boyle_2010
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As above- comparing equal bullets and ammo type- the 270 wins at 300m.
So the 7mm smashes it.
Sorry CM fans
So the 7mm smashes it.
Sorry CM fans
lets hope that never happens but "Yeah!"
It comes at a cost regards ammo prices and availibilty "off the shelf", barrel erosion, weight, recoil etc , then consider Energy is only good if expended within a beast of course. A UK red stag shot with a 100 grain TTSX bullet from a 6.5mm at 3200 fps ( creed might be a little down on that as i shoot .260) at the muzzle will break both shoulders and exit at 300 yards and mostly exit at 400 unless it contacts heavy section leg bone or similar on the far side . Very few stalkers in the UK shoot past 300 yards and at 500 ? Well even Contactors will close in as much as they can. Time of flight , first round hit probability, wind change etc etc they all matter. We all have to think if they run a bit ? My next presentation might a fair bit further away , likewise if i mess up .
Hunting spooky Elk on public ground in the USA where your biggest competition is another guy shooting the beast first or larger than Red stags , well i get it ! Animals bigger than we have here like Brown Bear etc i get it " bring more than enough gun" and thats what the 7mm is in the UK "more than enough" inapropriate to even use on three of our deer species
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