Is the 6.5 Creedmoor capable of everything a 7mm Rem Mag is? All game in the UK, including boar.

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dodgyknees said:
They're energy numbers, not velocity.

I was discussing a bad outcome on the hill with a SD member by pm a couple of nights ago.

Red deer, shot with .300 WSM, 180gr at around 180m.

There is absolutely no getting away from the fact that it doesn’t matter how powerful your rifle is, if you can’t shoot properly you’ll wound and lose deer…

In the world of deer hunting it is quite normal to get two distinct populations of shooter. Those that use a standard short action cartridge, and those that use a “magnum” cartridge, normally long action but sometimes a short action WSM.

There’s one particular guy I know who some on here will recognise from the NZ forum. He’s 74 and a very prolific deer hunter. Out on the hill pretty much every week, usually alone, shooting and recovering red and fallow deer for meat, much of which is donated to those in need. His deeds are quite bloody brilliant really.

What is interesting is that from one week to the next, he will use rifles ranging from the .223 Rem to the .300 PRC, and several in between. He goes to great lengths to post the outcome on our forum with pictures of entry and exit wounds, vitals damage, etc, always with a clear description of range, angle and projectile. He often posts pictures of recovered bullets. Hence we get a really good insight into the terminal performance of different types of projectiles in different calibres and MV / energy. Some of you fellas would be well served to follow this content.

I can say that there would appear to be absolutely bugger all difference in his success rate no matter whether he is using a small 60gr bullet or a large 180gr bullet. And no, he doesn’t headshoot.

Shot placement, every time.

So the answer to the question is still yes.
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I've shot vast numbers of small and large deer with anything from .243 through the 6's and 6.5's and 30's, 7mm, 7RM, 8x57, and bigger (9.3, etc.).
Like for like shot placement/conditions/angles/etc. with good expanding bullets (90% of the time NP's), the longest dead runs were from
1. .243Win
2. 6.5 with heavy for calibre bullets, but not in lighter 140g NP's
3. 7mm RM if used on lighter framed deer with too stout pills
4. .308
4.5 - 6.5x55 comes in here with the 140g NP
5. 7x57
6. 8x57
7. 30-06
8. 9.3x62
 
Have you shot with 7mm rm? You dont mean 300wm? Surprised you call 7rm extreme, it handles v much like 30 06. I use .30 cal over 7mm for running game as, for me, stops better.
However A @150gr sierra, nosler p etc in 7rm longer ranges however is formidable without being an artillery peice, which is why a lot of mountain hunters use it. Def not inappropriate
 
John Gryphon said:
Back to the subject line/question.

Is the 6.5 Creedmoor capable of everything a 7mm Rem Mag is?​

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no! neither is the 7mm Rem mag capable of everything the creed is capable of . Firing cheap ammo , high round counts out of the barrel , low weight builds without removing your fillings , easy to moderate , low recoil, capable of F class comp ( because belted aint permissible) etc etc . They are just different things for different purposes
 
Bowland blades said:
no! neither is the 7mm Rem mag capable of everything the creed is capable of . Firing cheap ammo , high round counts out of the barrel , low weight builds without removing your fillings , easy to moderate , low recoil, capable of F class comp ( because belted aint permissible) etc etc . They are just different things for different purposes
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I will add that I will buy the 7 over the 6.5 any day of the week and have shot one for over 40 years with nary a filling problem,or any other problems for that matter. :lol:
 
We ain't got no tigers or ephelumps to try it on now on this island, but the 7x57 will snot anything you meet here. Pigs as well using a 165gr bullet. Light recoil and better effect than any 6.5.
 
At the end of the day virtually f all difference between 6.5 and 7mm - is this string starting to eat it's own arse?
 
There are 5 dimension to this equation:
- range
- bullet energy
- animal weight
- how well the pilot shoots a given calibre
- your assumption set of the above.

For more objective reference - Last time I looked up the regs for DACH countries, France and Spain, you required more than 6.5 calibre for boar. I know that is not the case for Scandi countries. I have 6.5x55 and 6.5x47L - the Swede handles all UK deer at the ranges I shoot. But for boar and shooting outside the UK, I opted for a .300 Win Mag for boar with 165gr bullets. My German friends think a 30-06 with less recoil would be a better choice.

In the UK, I think a 7RM (7.2 x 64mm, 82gr case capacity) would be a good choice. But I think a .270 (7x64.5mm 67gr case capacity) might offer a wider range and availability of ammo in the UK and ballistically be similar over short to medium ranges. Or the 7x64 Brenneke (69.1 gr case capacity) but ammo less available in UK vs .270.

 
Boomerang said:
There are 5 dimension to this equation:
- range
- bullet energy
- animal weight
- how well the pilot shoots a given calibre
- your assumption set of the above.

For more objective reference - Last time I looked up the regs for DACH countries, France and Spain, you required more than 6.5 calibre for boar. I know that is not the case for Scandi countries. I have 6.5x55 and 6.5x47L - the Swede handles all UK deer at the ranges I shoot. But for boar and shooting outside the UK, I opted for a .300 Win Mag for boar with 165gr bullets. My German friends think a 30-06 with less recoil would be a better choice.

In the UK, I think a 7RM (7.2 x 64mm, 82gr case capacity) would be a good choice. But I think a .270 (7x64.5mm 67gr case capacity) might offer a wider range and availability of ammo in the UK and ballistically be similar over short to medium ranges. Or the 7x64 Brenneke (69.1 gr case capacity) but ammo less available in UK vs .270.

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Ammunition availability
Rifle availability
Ballistic efficiency
Energy vs powder burned
Etc. etc. etc.
 
Not even in the same ball park, the 7mm rem mag has about 40% more energy at all ranges when a bullet of the same BC is used.Its like comparing a Mini to a Mustang..
 
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