Price to butchers ?
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Some of the maths isn’t quite correct here. The chap is offering two figures, one in the skin and one skinned. The difference between the two isn’t just his price to skin it, it has to account for the fact that the skinned carcass is now around ten percent lighter plus, in theory, he has to dispose of the skin and probably has slightly more challenges in transporting the skinned carcass in addition to his time and expertise in skinning. There is also a fairly significant advantage to the butcher in recieving it skinned as it can now hang straight in the chiller with other meat. No comment on the actual figures, that is between the buyer and seller, just saying that it isn’t as simple as it sounds.
baguio
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Wrong on nearly everything. I will grant you the 10% reduction in weight. The skin/fur will go in the refuse bin = zero cost. Two polythene bags will protect the skinned carcass. 30p each are what mine cost. It can then go on the back seat or boot of the car no dramas for short journeys. The butcher concerned isn't far away or he wouldn't have asked him. 95% of butchers have to have skinned carcasses as they don't have an in skinned chiller. He can't take it otherwise so that's the OP's problem to sort and not the butchers I'm afraid. The OP is trying to make a sale. We're therefore back to my CIRO £50/hr which is gready IMO.
thorneyglatt
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Isn't the OP asking 50p per kg to skin it ?
baguio
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" £3.50/kg in skin and £4/kg skinned." Except that the "£3:50/kg in the skin isn't even a real choice for the butcher so £4/kg skinned is the only possibly option which is £2/kg more than his local Game Dealer is paying!
Leec6.5
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The problem is, stalkers seem to think that venison is worth a fortune and its not and never has been, certainly not for the last 20 years i have been stalking!
It is like anything else that is for sale, its worth what people are willing to pay!
That unfortunately is the way it is.
It is like anything else that is for sale, its worth what people are willing to pay!
That unfortunately is the way it is.
Home Loader
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I keep as many of our sika and fallow local as possible. Dealers locally are paying between 1.80 and 2.20 per kg in the skin, I have 3 local butchers and they take the majority of what I have at £4.50 per kg skinned and delivered. Be 100% open and honest about damage, I would rather give them a carcass with a lot of damage, with a pay me for what you salvage attitude than try and hide it and loose a customer.
Leec6.5
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£1.80 - £2.20 is fair coin from a game dealer, i am getting that collected and collection at todays running cost is worth about £1/kg to me where i am located, so i am a happy man!
Home Loader
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At the end of the day, I suspect we all just want to be happy! I am.
( not sure I can believe there are two happy people on the SD at the same time?)
What carcasses? Roe Red or Fallow, different yield on all 3..
Leec6.5
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I’m just happy my larders being cleared with in a few days of picking up the phone, thats the important bit!
Also i am getting what i consider to be a fair price, i realised many many years ago that there’s no money in it.
Too many dreamers in the stalking world these days.
Freeforester
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Primary producers have historically never received the premium for their commodities - e.g. Germany is the biggest coffee producer in the planet, without a single bean grown there; chocolate is another moneyspinner for European countries, but for the primary producers in Africa and S America? - not so much. Same for farmers here. The takeaway is that if you want to make money (- and it can be done, I made my living at it for twenty years, but it involves more work and thought than most are prepared to invest) then you have to be adding significant value to the base carcass, and delivering on quality to a deadline, and getting the highest proportion of it away, at maximised value, week in and out. That can’t be learned by watching the ’how-to’ videos on YT, as a fair few find out.
Just because someone can hold a knife, it doesn’t make them a successful businessman, nor necessarily a competent butcher. There are eg more than a few ways shown how to skin a deer, but only a couple which produce a desirable outcome for a presentable final product that can be fairly described as a ‘quality’ item.
Just because someone can hold a knife, it doesn’t make them a successful businessman, nor necessarily a competent butcher. There are eg more than a few ways shown how to skin a deer, but only a couple which produce a desirable outcome for a presentable final product that can be fairly described as a ‘quality’ item.
charlieboy-shooter
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Wow, where to begin ? So many great replies. Now in no particular order to the points raised and questions asked.
The Carcass in question are Fallow, sorry should have said.
I'm offering to a Butcher not a game dealer as so many of the posts seem to refer to and the relative costs. So I may well be missing something here but that is the entire reason for my original post. As I can have my idea of correct price but is it realistic ? or over priced ?
However, do you not get more from a butcher than a game dealer ? otherwise what is the incentive ?
So I get why would the butcher not want me to skin her just based on that alone but the butcher in question said he could take in-fur. I'm happy either way. What ever works for them.
But I must say, ooops. Sorry you think my greed is part of the reason Venison isn't more widely available. You may be missing the entire reason for my post, but I suspect not. As I said "Over Priced"? so looking at some of the replies. Yes, Greedy ? well maybe or possibly just optimistic but hey see it how you like. However, you are 100% correct my 30 or so fallow a year really doesn't help the availability of venison. I really must try to shoot more.
Totally agree with you about being a registered food business is a given. However based on the remarks of the nearly 40yr experience of my EHO and I was the 1st person he had dealt with regarding entering game into food chain and some of the posts I've seen on SD when I was registering that its a given. Well. I suspect it is not.
Non-lead - No one cares, well actually the game dealer does. They are signed up to non-toxic only. So I'm afraid as with all my shooting. Its all about trust. So I am not prepared to say it is non toxic if it isn't. So even if the game dealer was to turn a blind eye to it in reality that's his call and I'm not in to head shooting.
So thank you guys for your'e many replies. It would seem the general consensus is I'm over optimistic with my pricing but hey that's why I asked. I just thought about the game dealers prices, the retail and butcher prices and I thought my pricing seemed fair.
I have come home early from an aborted rabbit shooting night and based on advice so far I won't ask how much you get for a skinned rabbit, obviously at the butchers not the game dealers.
The Carcass in question are Fallow, sorry should have said.
I'm offering to a Butcher not a game dealer as so many of the posts seem to refer to and the relative costs. So I may well be missing something here but that is the entire reason for my original post. As I can have my idea of correct price but is it realistic ? or over priced ?
However, do you not get more from a butcher than a game dealer ? otherwise what is the incentive ?
Yes, based on weight of skin I basically skin the carcass for free. If I have a fallow doe with a dressed weight of 32kg at 3.50/kg she is £112. If I skin her she now weighs around 28kg at the £4 she is £112. In reality she probably weighs slightly less. So I have indeed put my time into it and have extra to clean and do plus I have to weigh the skin and enter in my ABP log. But do dispose of in my waste as agreed with my EHO.
So I get why would the butcher not want me to skin her just based on that alone but the butcher in question said he could take in-fur. I'm happy either way. What ever works for them.
I sometimes think I'm the star of the Truman show as I could not agree more and I'm sure you are quoting me. So, some may well think I'm a sucker but I have bought into the sentiment totally. Otherwise go to Waitrose and buy you're venison.
Yes, I'm happy to be paid later and am/have been. Equally after a carcass has been skinned I have reimbursed the butcher later if a shoulder has been ruined. As my aim is to keep the butcher happy. I fully understand it needs to work for the butcher and not just me.
Hmm, £50/hr hopefully I have covered this above.
But I must say, ooops. Sorry you think my greed is part of the reason Venison isn't more widely available. You may be missing the entire reason for my post, but I suspect not. As I said "Over Priced"? so looking at some of the replies. Yes, Greedy ? well maybe or possibly just optimistic but hey see it how you like. However, you are 100% correct my 30 or so fallow a year really doesn't help the availability of venison. I really must try to shoot more.
Totally agree with you about being a registered food business is a given. However based on the remarks of the nearly 40yr experience of my EHO and I was the 1st person he had dealt with regarding entering game into food chain and some of the posts I've seen on SD when I was registering that its a given. Well. I suspect it is not.
Non-lead - No one cares, well actually the game dealer does. They are signed up to non-toxic only. So I'm afraid as with all my shooting. Its all about trust. So I am not prepared to say it is non toxic if it isn't. So even if the game dealer was to turn a blind eye to it in reality that's his call and I'm not in to head shooting.
So thank you guys for your'e many replies. It would seem the general consensus is I'm over optimistic with my pricing but hey that's why I asked. I just thought about the game dealers prices, the retail and butcher prices and I thought my pricing seemed fair.
I have come home early from an aborted rabbit shooting night and based on advice so far I won't ask how much you get for a skinned rabbit, obviously at the butchers not the game dealers.
DevonRifle
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Blended with quinoa? I’m missing a trick!
baguio
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Which Gamedealer are you talking about that is signed up to non-toxic only? I wasn't aware of any in the local area but I could be wrong?
The OP’s question is “Am I over-priced”.
To answer that you need to simply look at the “local market” conditions, which he clearly articulates.
If a competitor is offering the same service to the same end customer at a 29% discount to your offered price then I’d imagine it is very apparent you are overpriced on your offering to that particular butcher for that particular product.
I also haven’t heard of anyone getting £3.50 per kg for an in skin carcase these days ( there may be the odd exception!)
To answer that you need to simply look at the “local market” conditions, which he clearly articulates.
If a competitor is offering the same service to the same end customer at a 29% discount to your offered price then I’d imagine it is very apparent you are overpriced on your offering to that particular butcher for that particular product.
I also haven’t heard of anyone getting £3.50 per kg for an in skin carcase these days ( there may be the odd exception!)
Leec6.5
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Rabbits not worth the effort, skin on or off!
I’m still looking at £1/1lb fallow to a farm shop.
No faffing about at least.
No faffing about at least.
remember the butcher has fairly big overheads generally and if it doesn't sell they pay a lot for disposal . its not a perk or a hobby for them , honestly sell direct mail order if you dont like the costs , then however you will be getting those overheads although at a lower cost you will have lower volume and a choice of venison or venison for your clients .
they can be , i have known folks who have sold rabbit well on a large scale . Its a fair amount of work getting there though and an off shoot of charging to remove the rabbits . your gonna need 300 minimum a week every week i suppose to approach it being called buisness. Thats a lot of work in itself so you need a fair price from the landowners for killing them . Not many bunnies about now
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