Price to butchers ?

[charlieboy-shooter]

Hi,

Am I over priced ?
I offered a carcass to a butcher £3.50/kg in skin and £4/kg skinned. Prepared to take off £/kg if excessive damage. Shot with Copper and registered as a food business.
He told me has has a guy supplying a carcass £2.50/kg whom drives a fair way to him ( almost past the game dealer,if true ). He said carcass would not be to damaged but did not say if it was skinned or it's shot location or if he is registered.

So as my opening statement. Am I over priced ? or is the butcher trying it on ? As I have spoken to him a few times over the last 18mths or so but have never sold a carcass to him (apparently timing/customer interest issues before) but he has always told me to keep calling and offering although we had never discussed prices.


Sorry if this has been done to death as I can see a couple of threads from September from the cornishman and 75 regarding prices / how much to charge but not want to hijack there threads and a slightly different question.

 

[fallow me]

Over priced, possibly , depends on area,I sell fallow carcasses for £2.50 per kg to the general public, Muntjac i sell at a premium because there unusual and why not, your not going to find them in the super market or most butchers, FB site giving up the game will give a rough idea of what others are getting,

 

[deerstalker.308]

With game dealers paying £1.50 a kg I would say depending on local market you are way over.

 

[charlieboy-shooter]

Over priced, possibly , depends on area,I sell fallow carcasses for £2.50 per kg to the general public, Muntjac i sell at a premium because there unusual and why not, your not going to find them in the super market or most butchers, FB site giving up the game will give a rough idea of what others are getting,

Hi,
Yes I agree with the price to the general public and a friend mentioned ' giving up the game' but I'm talking about to a butcher. I know the sort of prices I mention works for some butchers.
Thanks

 

[paulbshooting]

All sounds sensible, but the fact he hasn't bought suggests he doesn't intend to as surely he would buy one to test out you and the quality of the product. Unfortunately with venison there is always someone cheaper

 

[charlieboy-shooter]

With game dealers paying £1.50 a kg I would say depending on local market you are way over.

Ok. Thanks. I'll bear that in mind and be prepared elsewhere. If that is his price and it's following feed back from all you guys that's fine but he will be the last one I'll call. Was hoping this butcher would give a better return as I know what there mark up is likely to be.

Last game price dealer was £2/kg. I was just thinking at £2.5kg. Yes, better than a game dealers and I know the game dealer will take off whatever they can but I don't need to skin or remove weigh due to potential damage, hang and age for them as they don't want until to next week.
Sometimes for the difference I might as well take to the game dealer at my convenience and can see why some do just that.

 

[charlieboy-shooter]

All sounds sensible, but the fact he hasn't bought suggests he doesn't intend to as surely he would buy one to test out you and the quality of the product. Unfortunately with venison there is always someone cheaper

Yes so it would seem. I did have another butcher say he has someone sell at £3.50/kg but did exactly that. Tested me out. As I said, registered and traceable, so no issue for him from an EHO point with bare minimal damage, shot with a non toxic, British made bullet and locally sourced. What's not to like.. ( Yes, I know, the guy that's prepared to sell it at little more than GD prices)

 

[Bowland blades]

Your very rarely going to get much until you start going direct to the consumer , still thats not viable without the gear , time , marketing , efforts! Your problem is then going to be " i cant shoot enough for demand " because you will need a lot of beasts in each day

 

[charlieboy-shooter]

i cant shoot enough for demand " because you will need a lot of beasts in each day

Yes, how bizarre as there is the demand. Well at certain times of the year anyway. As I can't get any butcher intrested early in the season, doing BBQ packs (Steaks, chops, sausages and burgers) as people don't apparently want venison in the summer but will as autumn and winter approach. I've even suggested sell the venison to compare with favorable prices at that time of year with the BBQ packs but they seem reluctant to try. I guess it would probably cause issues later in the year when it can be sold as a premium meat and price..
In my mind im not looking for biggest return and have no real desire to chase the top end by processing. Was just hoping to get what I considered to be a fair price from the butchers..

 

[Bugsy]

I would say your a bit steep at that price but we’re struggling to get our deer away up here and when Highland game do pick it up it’s pennies there paying so I’ve started to sell deer skin on to friends and general public and it’s working a lot better , I’m charging £2-£3 per beast delivered within reason and only accept cash which obviously I declare because I’m an honest Scotsman , but it’s the old story of what your happy with

 

[Mickeydredd]

I got £2.20 per kg from the game dealer recently so it sounds like an extra £1.80 per kg just for skinning it would be deemed excessive.

 

[charlieboy-shooter]

I got £2.20 per kg from the game dealer recently so it sounds like an extra £1.80 per kg just for skinning it would be deemed excessive.

Yes, I would expect less from the game dealer. Can I ask. Do you differentiate a difference between the butcher and the game dealer or do you consider them one and the same ?
I ask as, Isn't it the game dealer that the butcher would purchase his venison from if he did not have a local supplier like us? And then pay considerably more than £2.20/kg..

Although it would still seem based on previous replies I'm still to expensive.

Thanks

 

[Dunwaters]

Yes, I would expect less from the game dealer. Can I ask. Do you differentiate a difference between the butcher and the game dealer or do you consider them one and the same ?
I ask as, Isn't it the game dealer that the butcher would purchase his venison from if he did not have a local supplier like us? And then pay considerably more than £2.20/kg..

Although it would still seem based on previous replies I'm still to expensive.

Thanks

That depends on what you buy, if youre a butcher dealing relatively small quantities it may make sense to buy from the dealer skinned, aged and in primary cuts, that way you can see what youre buying, you’ve minimal wastage and your labour costs go down significantly.
Buying direct from a stalker “ in the skin” gives a lot more waste that you’ll pay to get rid of, low value cuts you may not be able to shift, plus a lot more work.

 

[Mickeydredd]

Yes, I would expect less from the game dealer. Can I ask. Do you differentiate a difference between the butcher and the game dealer or do you consider them one and the same ?
I ask as, Isn't it the game dealer that the butcher would purchase his venison from if he did not have a local supplier like us? And then pay considerably more than £2.20/kg..

Thanks

I suppose my perspective was why would you anticipate a fee of £1.80 just for skinning a carcase when you would only get £2.20 before skinning?
The butcher will of course have to pay a premium to the game dealer as he needs his slice of the pie, but I imagine you will need to find a happy middle ground price.
The game dealer has his overheads etc whereas all you are adding is skinning the carcase.

 

[Bugsy]

TBH gentlemen you charge what you think it’s worth and everybody’s overheads are different , if your between £2.50 - £3.50 p/kg your not doing a Dick Turpin on anybody . One of the ladies I delivered to a couple of weeks ago was completely shocked and very happy with the cost and amount of venison I supplied to her because the week before she had paid £6 for 4 venison sausages , the butchers will put a good mark- up on the venison so everybody has to cover there costs

 

[Leec6.5]

Carcasses are worth what you can get for them, having trained and been a retail butcher in a past life, it all comes down to maximising income and profits, exactly the same as game dealers.

Personally i am getting £1.80/kg for big stuff and over £2/kg for roe collected, which i am well chuffed with, but i am getting cleared out by the larder full and not single carcasses.

Personally i think your a bit rich on your pricing, £2.50/kg to a butcher is fair money in my opinion.

 

[VSS]

Hi,

Am I over priced ?
I offered a carcass to a butcher £3.50/kg in skin and £4/kg skinned. Prepared to take off £/kg if excessive damage. Shot with Copper and registered as a food business.
He told me has has a guy supplying a carcass £2.50/kg whom drives a fair way to him ( almost past the game dealer,if true ). He said carcass would not be to damaged but did not say if it was skinned or it's shot location or if he is registered.

So as my opening statement. Am I over priced ? or is the butcher trying it on ? As I have spoken to him a few times over the last 18mths or so but have never sold a carcass to him (apparently timing/customer interest issues before) but he has always told me to keep calling and offering although we had never discussed prices.


Sorry if this has been done to death as I can see a couple of threads from September from the cornishman and 75 regarding prices / how much to charge but not want to hijack there threads and a slightly different question.

If your butcher has a reputation to maintain as a purveyor of quality local produce he should be prepared to pay a premium for dealing directly with you, the primary producer, because it gives him better assurance and traceability, better provenance, and the opportunity for him to build a long-term relationship with a small-scale supplier - just the sort of things that his customers will love. So no, I don't think you're overpriced. He would be paying more than that if he was buying them from a middleman (game dealer) I'm sure.
What species are we talking about here?

 

[User00047]

And by the time it gets to the shelves of Co-op it’s £54.10/kg

 

[baguio]

And by the time it gets to the shelves of Co-op it’s £54.10/kgView attachment 280774

Weigh your in fur carcass and then see how long it takes you, how much electricity you use and how much weight wise you get left with by the time you have this stuff packaged up. I would suggest that you think that this was produced in 5 minutes? It wasn't.

 

[baguio]

Hi,

Am I over priced ?
I offered a carcass to a butcher £3.50/kg in skin and £4/kg skinned. Prepared to take off £/kg if excessive damage. Shot with Copper and registered as a food business.
He told me has has a guy supplying a carcass £2.50/kg whom drives a fair way to him ( almost past the game dealer,if true ). He said carcass would not be to damaged but did not say if it was skinned or it's shot location or if he is registered.

So as my opening statement. Am I over priced ? or is the butcher trying it on ? As I have spoken to him a few times over the last 18mths or so but have never sold a carcass to him (apparently timing/customer interest issues before) but he has always told me to keep calling and offering although we had never discussed prices.


Sorry if this has been done to death as I can see a couple of threads from September from the cornishman and 75 regarding prices / how much to charge but not want to hijack there threads and a slightly different question.

People complain that venison is too expensive for the house wife to buy and yet you want £2/kg to skin it which equates to probably £50/hr and maybe a bit more? (Your local Game Dealer is paying £2/kg for large deer and £3/KG for roe) WOW. It's no wonder that your butcher isn't interested in your carcasses. Sorry but your greed is part of the reason that venison isn't more widely available! Being a registered food business is a given or you wouldn't even be able to sell it. Non-lead - No one cares!