Is this what this country is coming too
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David.evans
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I really think the old lady was just been polite, and making conversation
she had been there many a year and I would have thought knows the ropes
I think this has been took totally out of context
she had been there many a year and I would have thought knows the ropes
I think this has been took totally out of context
Pighunter
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Even more funny if what he says is correct. Bizarrely I am a white West Indian, born in Havana and brought up in Barbados where my mother's family moved after the civil War, being royalists.
Living in France I am often asked where I am from, to which I say 'it's a long story' and recount the above.
But then I haven't got a chip on my shoulder, just currently a fracture which is why I'm not out hunting today!
Living in France I am often asked where I am from, to which I say 'it's a long story' and recount the above.
But then I haven't got a chip on my shoulder, just currently a fracture which is why I'm not out hunting today!
FrenchieBoy
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Unfortunately the word Racism or Racist seems to pop it's head up far too often nowadays. I do not think of myself as being racist but the problem as I see it is that if you ask someone with "darker skin" than yours where they are from then you are being racist, but how about when some people with darker skin that mine or maybe yours decide to call me or you something like "White Trash" then they are not being racist and that's OK? It has to cut both ways!
I think "David. Evans's" reply (Post 22) really hits the nail on the head!
I think "David. Evans's" reply (Post 22) really hits the nail on the head!
Right, I had a go trying to explain this on the SFF.
For what it's worth, I am a British-Asian (as according to the census category).
Asking me "where are you from" is not racist.
Asking me repeated "where are you from/really from" or "what is your nationality" after I have answered British or Scottish or from Edinburgh is racist because:
By continued asking of that question, you are implying to me, and any other person who this happens to, that we are not what we say we are. That we cannot be really British.
This is racist, because if I was a white British person, and someone asked me "Where are you from" and I reply "Essex", they do not then ask "No, where are you really from?" because what they're wanting to know is that my grandmother was Welsh.
Anyone on here who wants to try and convince me otherwise. Ask yourself if you have EVER been asked those same questions, in that same manner by another British person, whilst in Britain. Ask yourself how you would feel if every week, someone (old or young, I've had to experience it all) questions you like that. Look back at your own family trees, do you have a grandfather who may have been from a different home nation than what you would call yourself? Do you have a great-great grandparent?
Is there mitigation that she comes from a different age? Not really. Irish immigration was around in her day, I dare say a fair number of them settled in the UK. If one of them was your grand/great-grandparent, would you say you are really from Ireland?
For what it's worth, I am a British-Asian (as according to the census category).
Asking me "where are you from" is not racist.
Asking me repeated "where are you from/really from" or "what is your nationality" after I have answered British or Scottish or from Edinburgh is racist because:
By continued asking of that question, you are implying to me, and any other person who this happens to, that we are not what we say we are. That we cannot be really British.
This is racist, because if I was a white British person, and someone asked me "Where are you from" and I reply "Essex", they do not then ask "No, where are you really from?" because what they're wanting to know is that my grandmother was Welsh.
Anyone on here who wants to try and convince me otherwise. Ask yourself if you have EVER been asked those same questions, in that same manner by another British person, whilst in Britain. Ask yourself how you would feel if every week, someone (old or young, I've had to experience it all) questions you like that. Look back at your own family trees, do you have a grandfather who may have been from a different home nation than what you would call yourself? Do you have a great-great grandparent?
Is there mitigation that she comes from a different age? Not really. Irish immigration was around in her day, I dare say a fair number of them settled in the UK. If one of them was your grand/great-grandparent, would you say you are really from Ireland?
Nicely explained. Thank you.
I would also point out one of the ways she decided to "rephrase" the question, was "What nationality are you". Why was "British" not an acceptable answer?
Maybe people should just ask what they actually mean to ask, not ask a question and expect and answer for something different?
Maybe people should just ask what they actually mean to ask, not ask a question and expect and answer for something different?
Bavarianbrit
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Half my family say they hail from Newry NI but my mum was actually born in Ardrossen Scotland with Irish parents who six years later returned to NI where she was raised, the other half of the family I have no idea of their source so what does that make me? My birth certificate is a pack of lies it seems but I only have heard it verbally from my deceased mothers side. I don't care btw.
You might not care, but regardless of how you answer the question "Where are you from?" do the askers (when in the UK) ever not accept that answer? If the answer to that question is No, then it is because you probably have never had to care...
A witch hunt and publicity stunt of the highest order…
Act like a tw*t, dressing to mislead and creating fake names is akin to all this gender confusion going on. Putting on a bra and stuffing it with socks does not make you a woman, putting on a leopard skin and creating a fake name doesn’t make you an African.
If you don’t want to be asked questions then why go to the social event creating the illusion you are African?
The woman is a publicity seeking idiot with a massive McCain on here shoulder!
Act like a tw*t, dressing to mislead and creating fake names is akin to all this gender confusion going on. Putting on a bra and stuffing it with socks does not make you a woman, putting on a leopard skin and creating a fake name doesn’t make you an African.
If you don’t want to be asked questions then why go to the social event creating the illusion you are African?
The woman is a publicity seeking idiot with a massive McCain on here shoulder!
She sounds like a right head the ball, that poor misfortunate old lady was hard done by.
There's far too much of this politically correct awareness being spouted these days, as kids we were always taught by our parents to be proud of who you are and where you come from. If you are genuinely proud of your identity then you should be confident enough to deal with other peoples perception of your heritage.
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Say you are born and raised in Kerry, lived your whole life in Kerry, but your parents (or maybe just one of them) is from Scotland. If someone asked you "where are you from", would you say Scotland?
Thanks for responding it’s good to have different views and insights and interesting to hear your opinions on the matter which I respect but cannot agree with. Without prejudice.
No, but if the conversation progressed I would mention it.
That's fine, it's people's right to agree or disagree. I also really cannot agree with any "views and insights" presented in this thread unless the person presenting those "views and insights" answers "yes" to the question you quoted.
If the answer to that question is "no", then you are merely trying to tell other people how they should feel in a situation that you yourself have never had to go though. I have never shot a deer having only recently decided to try taking up stalking. I would never think to try and tell anyone on this forum how best they should shoot a deer. I have never caught a pike on the fly, why would I ever try and tell someone else how best to catch a pike on the fly?
There is no conversational progression for this.
The question is, where are you from. Would the person asking it accept it if you said "Kerry"? Or would they insist and ask you, No where are you really from? Would you ever answer that question differently (i.e. Scotland)?
Ultimately, that situation, at least as far as I have ever found, from anyone I have ever asked, would simply not happen. Why? Because the person being asked, is white, and the response is accepted. Yet it is fine, and acceptable to many of the respondents to this thread it seems, to ask that same question and expect a different response, if the person being asked is not white.
You asked me a question and I answered it honestly.
I've never in my life had someone ask me where I'm from and then the conversation ceases after a one word answer.
If you find that hard to understand or it doesn't suit your narrative that's not my problem, it's yours and I couldn't care less.
That's the thing. Is it a conversation, if someone next asks you "No, but where are you from?".
The flaw in your reply is that you say the conversation "progresses". Has the conversation progressed, if someone asks "No, but where are you from?" when you gave your one word answer?
If you find it hard to understand, run yourself through this conversation:
Q: Where are you from?
A: Kerry.
Q: No but where are you really from?
A: Kerry.
Q: Okay fine, I'll ask differently then, what Nationality are you?
A: Irish.
Does that happen for you? I can bloody well tell you it happens to me, and any other non-white British person.
Presuming that fictitious circumstance I mentioned previously, where your parents may have been born in Scotland, but had been born, raised and spent your whole life in Kerry, would you answer those questions differently? Would you get annoyed that someone just doesn't accept that answer?
It's not "narrative". It is something that has happened to me week after week, my whole life, and to other non-white British people, who often have never set foot outside the UK to their "native" lands...
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