Goose shooting in Scotland

Whatever cartridge you can consistently hit a 3 inch circle with will do fine. Confine yourself to headshots, whatever size shot you've decided upon will stone them.
Over the years I've noticed that the heavy shot/large size shot chaps always end up having to wring it's neck to kill it. Large shot will bring them down but quite often broken winged or far away if hit in the body.
I've seen geese killed very neatly by ounce of 6 many times, the trouble is range estimation and concentrating on the head. Picked a goose once when a chap wouldn't believe a standard game cartridge had been used, the neck was like a sieve!
You could always hedge your bets and settle for size 3or 4, that'll pattern well and give good penetration if you strike the body.
Wishing you straight barrels and a successful trip in advance.
 
I've done a bit of decoying around the Angus region in past years and as others have noted above there is no need for shoulder-punishing loads when shooting geese over stubbles.

My personal preference is for no more than 36g loads in 3 / 4 / 5, whatever patterns best through your gun, and (again through preference) using a semi-auto. The key to it all, I believe, is to pattern your choice of gun / cartridge and pick what is best for YOU. It really makes my teeth itch when people tell me that "such and such is the best cartridge for pheasant" or "ABC is the best for grouse" or "XYZ is the only cartridge for geese"; it is the shotgun equivalent of saying "Federal Powershok is the best cartridge for deer" and every bit as meaningless...
Thanks for that advice Island and by the way Federal Powershock isn’t the best cartridge for deer…….
As a confirmed light loads 20 bore shooter for pretty much everything the very thought of 36 gns gives me the willies however…..
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As an aside, we were setting up a simulated day earlier on in the season when we were surprised by a skein of Canada's popping over a dyke, all of them flying probably no more than 15yds up.

Turns out that 21g of 7.5's are more effective than you would imagine...
 
Whatever cartridge you can consistently hit a 3 inch circle with will do fine. Confine yourself to headshots, whatever size shot you've decided upon will stone them.
Over the years I've noticed that the heavy shot/large size shot chaps always end up having to wring it's neck to kill it. Large shot will bring them down but quite often broken winged or far away if hit in the body.
I've seen geese killed very neatly by ounce of 6 many times, the trouble is range estimation and concentrating on the head. Picked a goose once when a chap wouldn't believe a standard game cartridge had been used, the neck was like a sieve!
You could always hedge your bets and settle for size 3or 4, that'll pattern well and give good penetration if you strike the body.
Wishing you straight barrels and a successful trip in advance.
Thank you sir - I certainly wouldn’t wish to be hit with no. 6 shot at any distance! Oddly enough last night I found a couple of boxes of Eley 3s and 1s from my last goose foray 40-odd years ago - I think I might just test them first!
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Thanks for that advice Island and by the way Federal Powershock isn’t the best cartridge for deer…….

That is because they are not copper...... :stir:

As a confirmed light loads 20 bore shooter for pretty much everything the very thought of 36 gns gives me the willies however…..
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You and I are in the same boat then. Being averse to beating myself up, and having patterned my guns, I have settled on 28g Gamebore Regal or 30g Hull Imperial for all of my game shooting nowadays (12b). If anything requires more than that then the SA comes out. It is not that I can't shoot anything heavier it is simply that I am paying good money to enjoy myself, not give myself a headache...
 
Everyone saying aim for the head,

Personally the way I see it is your going to shoot at the biggest target.

A 36 to 40 gram of 3 or 2 is enough to punch into the vital organs and ensure a clean ethical kill.

Your not shooting from a perfect position it's probably ducking behind a wall or fence so your not setting it up like a clay shot. I've done enough and realised that any cartridge 36 to 40 gram with a decent shot size 3 and up will bring them down.

I use my 10 mostly when I'm up there, it's a lump but has hardly any recoil and I enjoy using it. It's brilliant on the days that your range is extended because of no wind. They just hang high and circle for a while trying to decide or they just fly straight past!

What you have to remeber is you will be shooting anything from 15 yards to 50 yards depending on weather and if you can get them in or not.
 
Everyone saying aim for the head,

Personally the way I see it is your going to shoot at the biggest target.

A 36 to 40 gram of 3 or 2 is enough to punch into the vital organs and ensure a clean ethical kill.

Your not shooting from a perfect position it's probably ducking behind a wall or fence so your not setting it up like a clay shot. I've done enough and realised that any cartridge 36 to 40 gram with a decent shot size 3 and up will bring them down.

I use my 10 mostly when I'm up there, it's a lump but has hardly any recoil and I enjoy using it. It's brilliant on the days that your range is extended because of no wind. They just hang high and circle for a while trying to decide or they just fly straight past!

What you have to remeber is you will be shooting anything from 15 yards to 50 yards depending on weather and if you can get them in or not.
Thanks SotD, starting to get a tad concerned now….
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Some interesting and useful thoughts here. Perhaps the important thing is to use what you are confident with. The late Arthur Cadman (who shot a lot of wildfowl and deer as well as writing some good stuff) was for many years an advocate of very modest loads. In is latter years however he went the other way and was nick-named with some affection "triple-A" Cadman. As I write I have a part box of his yellow hand loaded specials sitting on a shelf by me.
 
Some interesting and useful thoughts here. Perhaps the important thing is to use what you are confident with. The late Arthur Cadman (who shot a lot of wildfowl and deer as well as writing some good stuff) was for many years an advocate of very modest loads. In is latter years however he went the other way and was nick-named with some affection "triple-A" Cadman. As I write I have a part box of his yellow hand loaded specials sitting on a shelf by me.
I had some old cartridges last years, was launching 63 gram bb out the 10 to use them up 😂
 
If you are decoying over stubble in Scotland lead is ok.

Take both guns, it’s a long way to go to have your only gun give up on you, don’t ask how I know.

If your O/U has 3 inch chambers you will be able to use 3 inch cartridges with a heavy load of up to 40 odd grams of no. 2 will get the job done.

Likewise if you’re semi auto has 3 inch chambers you should be able to shoot even heavier loads up to 50 grams with the semi auto action absorbing much of the recoil.

Despite what a lot of people say 3.5 inch magnum loads are not needed, that’s just overkill.

When shooting wait till they are close, paddles down and wings set. Your guide will normally tell you when.

If you’re lucky you‘ll have a lot of birds coming in so pick your bird a stick with it and make your shot, avoid being distracted by other birds entering your sight picture.

Good luck you will enjoy it.
 
If you are decoying over stubble in Scotland lead is ok.

Take both guns, it’s a long way to go to have your only gun give up on you, don’t ask how I know.

If your O/U has 3 inch chambers you will be able to use 3 inch cartridges with a heavy load of up to 40 odd grams of no. 2 will get the job done.

Likewise if you’re semi auto has 3 inch chambers you should be able to shoot even heavier loads up to 50 grams with the semi auto action absorbing much of the recoil.

Despite what a lot of people say 3.5 inch magnum loads are not needed, that’s just overkill.

When shooting wait till they are close, paddles down and wings set. Your guide will normally tell you when.

If you’re lucky you‘ll have a lot of birds coming in so pick your bird a stick with it and make your shot, avoid being distracted by other birds entering your sight picture.

Good luck you will enjoy it.
Great advice thank you. 50 grams sounds like anti-aircraft materiel - should I get my fillings checked before I go or just await my (toothless ) return?
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Great advice thank you. 50 grams sounds like anti-aircraft materiel - should I get my fillings checked before I go or just await my (toothless ) return?
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I’ve got some Saga 50gr #1s I use for fox driving, and even through the semi auto they pack a rather unpleasant punch.
 
Irony is alot of people think the bigger the better, saw people shoot more with a 36 or 40 gram load than the people with 3.5" super mags.

Guessing it's to do with recoil, I certainly wouldn't like to use them trough a light 12 bore!
 
We shoot the same week each year on Solway.
It’s been the same for 35years.
We all shoot 8 bore. Made in 1870s . Reload our own. 64 gram x 1s per barrel.
We try not to shoot too many. Usually 50 per week between 6 of us.
What’sthe best bit?
6 mates in a shooting happy hotel.
 
As I read the OP, I realised my wildfowl shooting career took a similar halt back in the mid eighties, I had a 10b sbs I'd recently had rechambered and proofed for 3.5" magnums.
Took my brother from the US to Scotland for some inland decoying, I remember that my first two shots left barrel first as they jumped then the right netted me 11 geese iirc. I quit then it really wasn't my cup of tea.
My brother had a whale of a time with my rem 1100 and short magnums of 3 shot, but on the strength of those two shots bought himself a browning 10g autoloader when he went back to the US
I started again a few years back but stop when I've a couple of duck and can't bring myself to target geese.
My advice is pick your shots but buy bismuth shells, you get the best of both worlds and can't go wrong. In the overall costs of the trip it's almost insignificant especially when compared to the bar bill.
The only other advice is to buy a rake of those chemical handwarmers before you go.
Apologies for me reminiscing.......
 
I must admit not being a great fan of decoyed goose shooting, nor for that matter shooting ducks on a flight pond.

I grew up wildfowling and wild geese really deserve to be hunted out in the wilds of the foreshore. Getting out on the marshes in the pre dawn, or at last light and be alone with your dog and your thoughts sitting in the side a creek with the redshanks and other birds calling. All your senses alert to widgeon and teal whistling through, and the inevitable do I take one or will they disturb the geese?

Then a faint honk of a greylag, or the higher putched wink of a pink being carried on the wind. Open the gun and switch cartridges for goose.

In the dawn you get just the one chance as the flight out to feed, in the evening there may be more.

The odd goose starts moving. Keep quiet and still. You daren’t spook them - they are the scouting birds. Secret of goose shooting is patience. And only shoot when you are certain of killing. Half dozen make a real racket as they come up river, you keep low but they swing by 100 plus yards to one side - no shot offered.

You decide to move quickly - no lying flat on the slope of the river bank. The rest of flats are just sand and mud banks. You have followed the tide out, its getting dark (I never good at getting out of a warm bed). A small pack of widgeon come down the remains of the old wall built by prisoners of the Napaleonic wall, but long ago the sea reclaimed the marsh. Coming straight, you move onto your knees, pick out the cock bird and it tumbles, they explode upwards and you reach upwards for another and it too falls. Dog picks the easy bird, and then suggests that you should do some work and wade out into the river to pick the other.

Geese are really starting to call on the wind. A big skein comes over really high. They go in down on the rocks at the mouth of the river. They like to to wash up before coming to roost. The wind is picking up and the tide has turned. They will be pushed of by the surf as the tide comes in. Moon is rising and low whispy cloud comes over.

It’s a waiting game. Your warmth from chasing the ducks is gone. The cold is seeping through the neoprene waders - you will give it another ten. More geese come over - still too high. Water is lapping at your feet, but still needs to come another 3 or 4 feet before the river channel is covered. We get 5m tides in the Forth and you know on this side you cannot get cut off. Not like the time when you got stuck on a salt marsh down by Lymington all those years ago when the big creek filled up behind you.

Your mind goes into the happy place, you are a bit cold and damp, and salty and muddy, but who cares.

And then - what’s that. Hairs on your neck go up and then you make a large skein coming across the marsh low and into wind directly at you. Keep low, keep still, thumb on the safety - push it forward and back - and they keep coming. Pick a bird - you can’t really see them, wait till they are against that white cloud, you can hear the wings, are they coming into land - they back peddle and pitch into the river 50 yards away. The hound is quivering. Another little gaggle just come past from the otherside - you sit up and one falls to the gun.

There is almighty racket as 200 plus geese rise up and get out of the marsh.

The hound has got the goose and dragging it back. You pick the empty cartridge case and the widgeon. Take goose and trudge back to the care. Its a good mile across the sand and the saltings. The geese keep tempting you, but so does a warm bath for you. You drive back. Hound in her towling bag to warm up and dry off on the drive home happy.
Wow what a write up, shades of BB there. Always fancied it after reading Dark Estuary, compulsory book for anyone thinking of giving it a go, beautiful illustrations in it too!
 
As I read the OP, I realised my wildfowl shooting career took a similar halt back in the mid eighties, I had a 10b sbs I'd recently had rechambered and proofed for 3.5" magnums.
Took my brother from the US to Scotland for some inland decoying, I remember that my first two shots left barrel first as they jumped then the right netted me 11 geese iirc. I quit then it really wasn't my cup of tea.
My brother had a whale of a time with my rem 1100 and short magnums of 3 shot, but on the strength of those two shots bought himself a browning 10g autoloader when he went back to the US
I started again a few years back but stop when I've a couple of duck and can't bring myself to target geese.
My advice is pick your shots but buy bismuth shells, you get the best of both worlds and can't go wrong. In the overall costs of the trip it's almost insignificant especially when compared to the bar bill.
The only other advice is to buy a rake of those chemical handwarmers before you go.
Apologies for me reminiscing........
Hmmm. I know the feeling - when I shot them - 40 odd years ago it was my first and last time - it was a singleton and a pair and that did it for me. I have a sneaking suspicion it will be the same this time again but the craic will be good at night.
My abiding memory is just putting the gun down, lying on my back and watching many thousands flying over me. That just might do this time too….
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We now sit 3 each in 2 hides . Each takes their turn per flight , with others ready to take cripples only.
The best flight that we all agree on is several thousand landing all around us .
—————————- nobody shot .————-
nobody knew why .
Try explaining that to a bunnyhugger
 
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