Potentially but numbers are harder to argue against and easier to justify providing they tell the right story
Trophy Hunting
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Agreed. These days for me it’s just a numbers game. We have a cull plan to meet, and they all count against the plan, whether a button buck or a magnificent six-pointer. Sadly there are plenty who’ll turn down a buck because it’s “not big enough.”
Stalker62
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I have posted 'kills' on this site, (I haunt no other) and have done so, to (literally) illustrate my (oft dull) tales of 'derring-do'.
This site is (ironically) 'social media'.
I guess that makes me one of your 'idiots'?
If you agree with my views on this, please hit the "Like Button" at the bottom of your screen now...
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sikamalc
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Oh they are. Including you.
As you may or may not know not that I care.
30 plus years of my life was working with African and Asian wildlife. I worked with several well known professors in and around the collections I was responsible for. Some at Stellenbosch in SA.
Lowland Gorilla. Giant Sable. Schimiter horn Oryx. The Quagga project. To name a few.
The wildlife of Africa and indeed some parts of Asia rely heavily on conservation and ethically controlled hunting. SCI has put millions into such projects. Many Americans support this system by paying heavily for it. This includes some European hunters.
People in this country who knock over the odd deer and have no idea of what goes on with other hunters around the world need to educate themselves before they start to make comments regarding so called Trophy hunting.
By the way I don't have to lump anything!
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Go on then, who pays for the subsidies??
I have posted 'kills' on this site, (I haunt no other) and have done so, to (literally) illustrate my (oft dull) tales of 'derring-do'.
This site is (ironically) 'social media'.
I guess that makes me one of your 'idiots'?
If you agree with my views on this, please hit the "Like Button" at the bottom of your screen now...
I must have missed the photos you've posted here of you gurning at the camera - mostly you seem to blank out anything that would make the photo identifiable.
That's sadly unlike many on Facebook, which is a far more popular social media site that you might perhaps have heard of? I wouldn't recommend you go there, however, as I don't think you'd find it enjoyable.
You really are a pleasant little fellow aren’t you?I do like a good stew, so F you
HonestJohn
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That’s a political issue
Any attempt to ban is it just a political issue
That’s a nonsense answer.
The money isn’t there to pay the subsidies, plus it’s not just about the fees the hunting attracts. A lot of these animals are in conflict with humans in the locale, they are only tolerated because of their monetary value, remove that and the will be killed off by the locals in a couple of seasons
Conor O'Gorman
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Yes, we have been pointing all this out and more in briefings to MPs and civil servants given that the scope of the Bill was open to any part of any hunted species being added to an import ban. On Friday the Bill was amended to limit it to any part of any hunted species on Annex A and B of the following list of species (endangered species on CITES list, most of which are plants and insects) being added to an import ban.
The fundamental issue still remains however that the premise for an import ban was and is not about conservation of endangered species, it's about legislating for ideological reasons (whilst dressing it up as saving wildlife without any evidence) against people paying for a hunting experience based on an ethical dislike (based on a misconceived understanding) by non-hunters about hunters' motivations to go hunting. The momentum and rhetoric around this in political debates and in the media should be a concern to us all because it's already leading to questions being asked about 'trophy hunting' in the UK. And 'trophy hunting' is now beginning to be used by antis and the tabloid media as a label for anyone here or from overseas paying to go stalking, game shooting, pigeon shooting and wildfowling.
Representatives from NGOs/projects/govt in several countries in Africa have been meeting MPs both in Westminster and online and there have been various correspondence and media work. More of that will continue.
enfieldspares
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Thank you for taking my comment on board and for addressing it with your much appreciated reply to it.
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On the matter of subsidies
Certainly at the reserve I go to in Moz, the Gov take 50% of all hunting fees
They do not give money to the reserve - they expect money from it
Of the remaining 50%, the reserve is expected to support local clinics, schools and local employment
When I run conservation tutorials I’m often asked why hunting can’t be replaced by Gov funding
I refer them to the answer above
There is of course direct funding for the park services of several countries
Some reserves (like Oliphants) was, and probably still is funded by private individuals
However the majority of wildlife exists in private reserves and in farms that are unsuited to the photographic tourist market (too wild and not enough luxury and instant thrills for most).
Their revenue comes from hunting - take that away, and the farms return to agriculture and the state owned reserves become over run with subsistence farming
There are initiatives coming over the horizon
An Italian Uni is leading a carbon reduction accreditation scheme where large companies can buy credits from participating reserves
The Companies ‘off set’ some of their carbon impact and the reserves get desperately needed funding
Certainly at the reserve I go to in Moz, the Gov take 50% of all hunting fees
They do not give money to the reserve - they expect money from it
Of the remaining 50%, the reserve is expected to support local clinics, schools and local employment
When I run conservation tutorials I’m often asked why hunting can’t be replaced by Gov funding
I refer them to the answer above
There is of course direct funding for the park services of several countries
Some reserves (like Oliphants) was, and probably still is funded by private individuals
However the majority of wildlife exists in private reserves and in farms that are unsuited to the photographic tourist market (too wild and not enough luxury and instant thrills for most).
Their revenue comes from hunting - take that away, and the farms return to agriculture and the state owned reserves become over run with subsistence farming
There are initiatives coming over the horizon
An Italian Uni is leading a carbon reduction accreditation scheme where large companies can buy credits from participating reserves
The Companies ‘off set’ some of their carbon impact and the reserves get desperately needed funding
This debate has shown that, as a Lithuanian chap once told me, 'every stick has two ends'.
If UK people can't spend money in Africa, will they spend it in the UK? This could make UK stalking more expensive for the rest, perhaps.
If UK trophies cannot be exported, will it stop foreigners making UK stalking expensive?
Time will tell!
If UK people can't spend money in Africa, will they spend it in the UK? This could make UK stalking more expensive for the rest, perhaps.
If UK trophies cannot be exported, will it stop foreigners making UK stalking expensive?
Time will tell!
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dobber
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I have bow hunted for years, all my shots have been well placed and the animals died within a short distance. In fact when moose hunting, there is the chance to shoot the animal multiple times with a bow as there is no kinetic "shock" but there is a deadly cut, sometimes it takes a moment or two for the animal to realize something is wrong, much like when you get a paper cut, don't realize it happened at first.
My last archery kill was my bear, I think from point of impact to dead was 40 yards
There is nothing cruel about a well placed arrow or bullet
As for pointless, that is one mans opinion and opinions aren't fact based
I'm inclined to agree, but time will tell.
My second line has it then?
Leec6.5
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There are always those who will pray on the unfortunate, personally I take clients, when the time is optimum, when they have the best chance of getting an animal for the freezer, for me, it is all about giving people good value for money
There are always those who walk around the block for nothing for the sake of £75 or £100, money is not my king and never has been and believe me I’m not going anywhere unless it’s beneficial to me all the client. I don’t believe in wasting my time or theirs.
Anyone who has stalked with me will vouch for that fact.
The price of stalking, if anything will stay stagnant, but that will be the only benefit or bonus to the Paying punter
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