Rake Aboot
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There are reasons why people would show complete apathy towards game bird shooting.
I imagine the general attitude to folk who love other field sports might be one.
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I imagine the general attitude to folk who love other field sports might be one.
One on top of two
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Norfolk Deer Search
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You are not looking at the bigger picture, the powers that be will not look at the deer stalker, wild fowler or the small shoot, they will look towards the commercial operations to which you can not argue their is no defence!
They will look at that module, tarnish all with the brush because it’s easy too and go from there!
Maybe its easier for me to see, because I once wore the the keepers tweed.
You want to save shooting?
Campaign to stop commercial game bird shooting.
That need not be the case. Perhaps BASC should be supporting registration/licensing for shoots that release over a certain number of birds in a certain acreage or similar constraints that absolve the small family type shoots. They are not going to beat it so why not try and meet it in the middle. A bit like the lead ban.............
I did it and shared it with a dozen other syndicate members plus other friends. The apathy is what will kill the sport. Packham et Al are MUCH better supported (& funded)Around 23 SD members have confirmed they have responded to the consultation on proposals to restriction gamebird releasing in Wales - something that takes a few minutes for anyone anywhere in the UK (or beyond) to complete to send a clear message to the anti-shooting Welsh Government that we as a shooting community SAY NO to the proposals.
Perhaps many more SD members have responded? Or perhaps many not heard of this issue yet? Or perhaps many do not have time or care?
There is no right or wrong answer - it would just be helpful to understand the potential scale of SD support for this and future campaigns to protect shooting from threats relative to other forums etc. online.
Act now - BASC
Game shooting in Wales under attack. The Welsh government have launched proposals to ban gamebird releasing in Wales.basc.org.uk
A very blinkered approach. Once they have killed off commercial shooting the rest of us will be sooooo much easier. I am not a fan of big bird days but don’t knock those who are.
Cannot argue that in the slightest. I shoot a handful a year, under my own dog. I shot 2 this season.
It's the mass wastage that causes a problem along with the ' you're breeding birds just to shoot'. They're not wrong whatsoever in saying that so the argument is non existent, they're entirely right.
Probably a very unpopular opinion
xavierdoc
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Cannot argue that in the slightest. I shoot a handful a year, under my own dog. I shot 2 this season.
It's the mass wastage that causes a problem along with the ' you're breeding birds just to shoot'. They're not wrong whatsoever in saying that so the argument is non existent, they're entirely right.
Probably a very unpopular opinion
I share your distaste for the mass shooting and any waste that results and it's hard to justify to the non-shooting public.
However, once banned, if you believe the antis and Joe-public will turn a blind eye to the small shoot thereafter, you are being naive. They WILL come for you, and pigeon shooting, and fox, and rabbit, and target...
And that's exactly why I signed it. Whilst I may not agree with it, I won't see a fellow countryman/sportsman loose out on what they enjoy. It's another nail in the coffin to our sport to not do anything whilst we can
Done!Around 23 SD members have confirmed they have responded to the consultation on proposals to restriction gamebird releasing in Wales - something that takes a few minutes for anyone anywhere in the UK (or beyond) to complete to send a clear message to the anti-shooting Welsh Government that we as a shooting community SAY NO to the proposals.
Perhaps many more SD members have responded? Or perhaps many not heard of this issue yet? Or perhaps many do not have time or care?
There is no right or wrong answer - it would just be helpful to understand the potential scale of SD support for this and future campaigns to protect shooting from threats relative to other forums etc. online.
Act now - BASC
Game shooting in Wales under attack. The Welsh government have launched proposals to ban gamebird releasing in Wales.
Stalker62
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The options for your survey do not include those who disagree with your premise.
Perhaps the lack of response is indicative of those 'votes'?
It would be optimistic to assume that everyone on a 'Stalking' directory supported game shooting in the format under debate.
For what it is worth (pretty much nothing), I am a Keeper on a very modest shoot.
wildfowler.250
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Got round to it.
I haven’t been on anything other than a syndicate day,(although attended the odd 100 bird day). I think, if you’re shooting more than 200 birds on any given day, it’s going to be hard to justify to the general public. Even if it is a scale of economy. It’s just a shame the smaller days are less financially viable.
And I’m usually that person who takes as many birds away as I can at the end of the day
I haven’t been on anything other than a syndicate day,(although attended the odd 100 bird day). I think, if you’re shooting more than 200 birds on any given day, it’s going to be hard to justify to the general public. Even if it is a scale of economy. It’s just a shame the smaller days are less financially viable.
And I’m usually that person who takes as many birds away as I can at the end of the day
Just ticked it!
Let’s look at the bigger picture of shooting in Wales and the pheasants in Wales, on one hand, you have the small medium shoot which I don’t have a problem with, group of guys and ladies with a dogs Is grubbing around for a few pheasants, maybe a few beaters, lovely, can’t think of anything nicer myself.
Then, on the other hand, do you have the commercial shoot in Wales, where they drive thousands of pheasants of the top of the hill to waiting guns, who shoot 300, 400 ,500 birds a day!
as I’ve previously been stated, I’ve personally seen 200 birds shot on the first drive!
How can you defend that?!
The death of shooting will come from the greed of guns and the big days.
A few poking about for pheasants for the pot, or the fowler after a duck or goose means more to me because they appreciate what they shoot, the guns on big days don’t care about the animal their shooting or what happens to it after!
This says it all for me.
I was part of a small syndicate.
15 guns and we put down 250 poults each year, shot once a week during the season and the end of season tally was always around 200.
We all got on well and enjoyed the Saturday shoot - the bag came second.
I have also been a guest (through work) on 3 x 300 commercial bird days,
Each day was 6 drives and by drive 4 the 300 was almost reached and this concern shot 3 days each week
I always left feeling a bit 'empty' /unsettled and after the third day I have
declined each invitation
'A few poking about for pheasants for the pot, or the fowler after a duck or goose means more to me because they appreciate what they shoot, the guns on big days don’t care about the animal their shooting or what happens to it after'
This says it all for me!
sikamalc
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I for one support all game/field sports. Some I have never taken part in, never will. I ran a syndicate shoot and reared all my own birds whilst also holding down a full time job, many years back. I for one would not want to see any restrictions on shooting.
We have the same individuals on here banging the same old drum..............wont be long before there will be a bloody great hole in it!!
So if you think once driven shooting is finished, stalking is finished, the ownership of firearms is finished, that they will stop? Next will be fishing, fresh or saltwater.
Over the years of my being involved with fieldsports, I have seen the gradual erosion of our sport. What makes anyone think that this is right for what is supposed to be a free country.
I find it incredible that we have all this fuss about LBGT and Veganism as a right, which as far as I am concerned is up to the individual. And yet we as a group of people are not listened too and have our rights gradually eroded. Successive governments have done NOTHING to help us. And yet like a mad dog turning in on its own master, we have people on here and outside who care little for what is about to be lost, thinking that at days end it will not affect my rights and freedom.
And when I mean freedom, I mean across the board, not just fieldsports.
We have the same individuals on here banging the same old drum..............wont be long before there will be a bloody great hole in it!!
So if you think once driven shooting is finished, stalking is finished, the ownership of firearms is finished, that they will stop? Next will be fishing, fresh or saltwater.
Over the years of my being involved with fieldsports, I have seen the gradual erosion of our sport. What makes anyone think that this is right for what is supposed to be a free country.
I find it incredible that we have all this fuss about LBGT and Veganism as a right, which as far as I am concerned is up to the individual. And yet we as a group of people are not listened too and have our rights gradually eroded. Successive governments have done NOTHING to help us. And yet like a mad dog turning in on its own master, we have people on here and outside who care little for what is about to be lost, thinking that at days end it will not affect my rights and freedom.
And when I mean freedom, I mean across the board, not just fieldsports.
Norfolk Deer Search
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That unfortunately that will not change, that is the times in which we now live!
Get your head around it, figure out what you need to do to carry on and get on with it, then carry on a bit longer.
NoIDeer
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I am not a fan of big bag driven bird shooting but there is no doubt that land managed for driven shooting or any shooting has better habitat for all wildlife. If we let any government take control of any aspect of shooting more regulation will follow and inevitably a lessening of the quality of what we have, it already happening.
This "consultation" by the Welsh Government won't just affect estates putting down 100k birds, it'll affect the farmer putting down 200 birds for a bit of sport with his mates. Both spend time and money creating an environment that holds their birds and encourages other wildlife including the deer that we like to spend time looking for.
Don't leave these opportunities to have a say to the antis, this one affects all shooting.
This "consultation" by the Welsh Government won't just affect estates putting down 100k birds, it'll affect the farmer putting down 200 birds for a bit of sport with his mates. Both spend time and money creating an environment that holds their birds and encourages other wildlife including the deer that we like to spend time looking for.
Don't leave these opportunities to have a say to the antis, this one affects all shooting.
sikamalc
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I have, and a lot longer than you, thank you.
Lets hope they dont get round to fishing then, that would be you buggered.
Norfolk Deer Search
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There is a massive difference between the two Malcolm
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