Junior doctors strike

[Heym SR20]

You're nowhere near the point of the discussion, the topic is Junior Doctors going on strike because of pay cuts.

Nurses, Doctors and emergency vehicle drivers are all earning less in real terms than they were in 2010 and are finding it hard to cope with the cost of living.

A couple of years ago ye were out on the streets applauding them, now your MP in charge of discussing their work conditions and wages won't even meet them. Where the f**k is yer pride? People should be marching on the streets and protesting at the way these people and ye as their customers are being treated.

Your former empire is turning more into a third world country at an alarming rate and ye are swallowing the utter crap your Tory government and press are feeding ye like starving mullet.

Ye have become an international laughing stock that gives everyone else a new self inflicted calamity to laugh at on a regular basis. When the EU introduce the new Entry and Exit biometric checks in November the last thing anyone with half a brain will want is a UK passport.

Have lived and worked in former parts the British empire I couldn’t agree with you more.

The UK economy is fundamentally broken. There is huge disjoint between those in power, and those on the street.

The general view is that the “great unwashed” are thick, ignorant and should be jolly greatful for the few crumbs they get from the table, and from the opposite side, they are all just a bunch of Tory tossers with silver spoons up their arseholes. And this is further enhanced by media, political parties, unions and management groups.

Yet the vast majority of us are all just trying to the best we can.

But we have absolutely forgotten (or indeed we never had understood) the value of people in businesses, organisations etc.

In the current dispute junior doctors are being treated as a commodity that can be used and consumed in the course of delivering health care.

Management and government are taking the view that they are easily replaced and thus little need to engage in dialogue.

Yet last time I looked most working in health care, whether it nurses, doctors etc are all well trained and educated, and that training takes years. You can’t simply replace them.

Same for industry and business.

Perhaps we should think about people as real assets on the balance sheet. They are the real value in any organisation. And the better they are trained, educated and work together the better the end result.

And when people work together you build collective knowledge that far surpasses anything that is written down or held in the database. This is immediately lost once you start using agency staff, contractors or consultants etc.

But organisations can get too large to manage. NHS is managed as one entity these days, so too are Police and Military. They are run by those who have little clue of the frontline nor what is actually required to deliver good service.

The fundamental role of government is to ensure that the public services on which we all depend and form the underpinning to the country and our economy function. And when they are not functioning you have sit down and work out why. And the only way you can do that is by actually doing the sitting down and talking directly with those concerned.

Yet those in government don’t feel that this is their job.

 

[Scotty99]

You're nowhere near the point of the discussion, the topic is Junior Doctors going on strike because of pay cuts.

Nurses, Doctors and emergency vehicle drivers are all earning less in real terms than they were in 2010 and are finding it hard to cope with the cost of living.

A couple of years ago ye were out on the streets applauding them, now your MP in charge of discussing their work conditions and wages won't even meet them. Where the f**k is yer pride? People should be marching on the streets and protesting at the way these people and ye as their customers are being treated.

Your former empire is turning more into a third world country at an alarming rate and ye are swallowing the utter crap your Tory government and press are feeding ye like starving mullet.

Ye have become an international laughing stock that gives everyone else a new self inflicted calamity to laugh at on a regular basis. When the EU introduce the new Entry and Exit biometric checks in November the last thing anyone with half a brain will want is a UK passport.

Firstly I was never on the streets applauding them. Secondly the government have offered to pay in full the recommendations of the independent pay review body, that offer is still on the table. Thirdly pay is not being cut, it’s being eroded by inflation but then whose income isn’t.

I think the NHS staff do an adequate job under difficult circumstances, but I don’t support a healthcare model which has three year waiting lists, cancer patients being bumped in favour of COVID infection treatment, an organisation with over 100 CEOs, the list goes on.

The NHS funding model is broken it has been for decades, no government can fix the unfixable. We need to radical new funding model to provide better healthcare for the nation.

 

[big ears]

three year waiting lists, cancer patients being bumped in favour of COVID infection treatment,

Strong claims. Can you substantiate them with facts?

 

[Scotty99]

It’s been commonly reported in the press and numerous cases of cancer patients being prepped for surgery and bumped at the last minute. The waiting lists have been known and published for years. They were up to 4 years at the end of covid lockdowns, but they have come down a bit since.

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[big ears]

It’s been commonly reported in the press and numerous cases of cancer patients being prepped for surgery and bumped at the last minute. The waiting lists have been known and published for years. They were up to 4 years at the end of covid lockdowns, but they have come down a bit since.

Ok so the waiting lists now stand at 7.1 million. 379,000 are waiting over a year. No one is waiting two years. At the end of Covid lockdown no one was waiting 4 years and whoever told you that was telling porkies.
Prior to Covid patients care was delayed at the last minute because of there being no beds,sadly not uncommonly. When we were over run with the pandemic no surgery happened as we had no anaesthetic machines as they were used to ventilate patients.
There was not ever a conscious process of “treating Covid patients instead of cancer”. Trust me what happened during the pandemic was a war zone where all staff in the NHS did a darn site better than provide ADEQUATE care as you seem to think.

 

[Fair Hill]

Keep up - ETIAS has been delayed again to an unspecified date in 2024.

Trying to be smart doesn't really suit you willie.

The Entry and Exit biometric checks due to be introduced in November are a different border security check than the ETIAS which is due to be implemented in 2024.

 

[csl]

Does it hurt to be nice when arguing different points of view? If you can't, then expect to be excluded from the thread.

 

[willie_gunn]

Trying to be smart doesn't really suit you willie.

The Entry and Exit biometric checks due to be introduced in November are a different border security check than the ETIAS which is due to be implemented in 2024.

EES lets me use the automated passport machines at EU borders, rather than being subjected to a manual check and getting my passport stamped, as at the moment.

How is that a bad thing?

 

[Fair Hill]

EES lets me use the automated passport machines at EU borders, rather than being subjected to a manual check and getting my passport stamped, as at the moment.

How is that a bad thing?

The best way to explain it I suppose is it's going to make the scenes at Dover this week look like a lovely little family picnic.

Now, have a wonderful evening willie and an even better Easter Sunday.

Best of luck if you're going on an egg hunt.

Have a great Monday too, I hope everyone is nice to you.

 

[Lloyd90]

Your missing the points . Most her cohort will leave the UK and dont be surprised when we are seriously short of doctors to whom English is a second language and we have even longer waiting lists . We very nearly left the UK before she was even an egg .
Nobody had to take student loans then unless they went for a masters and those sitting in parliament didn't have to either - how far we have slipped thanks to them

Tell her to move to abroad mate and get the decent money

Then the idiots on here who say it was her choice to go into the career can moan on a different thread about the NHS crashing and burning, how they can’t get an appointment anywhere, waiting lists are enormous and how all their Doctors are foreign.

 

[willie_gunn]

The best way to explain it I suppose is it's going to make the scenes at Dover this week look like a lovely little family picnic.

Now, have a wonderful evening willie and an even better Easter Sunday.

Best of luck if you're going on an egg hunt.

Have a great Monday too, I hope everyone is nice to you.

And yet everyone says EES is going to speed up border crossings when entering and exiting the EU. This is because it eliminates the need for passports to be manually inspected and stamped. That’s why there was so much disappointment that it was delayed until November.

For the past three weeks I’ve travelled to Denmark, Spain and the Netherlands. Not having to get my passport stamped will be a huge win.

 

[Rasputin]

Tell her to move to abroad mate and get the decent money

Then the idiots on here who say it was her choice to go into the career can moan on a different thread about the NHS crashing and burning, how they can’t get an appointment anywhere, waiting lists are enormous and how all their Doctors are foreign.

Nah we will still moan just from our bupa supported ivory towers.

 

[Lloyd90]

Nah we will still moan just from our bupa supported ivory towers.

My mums had 2 major surgeries recently at Nuffield hospitals.

Excellent nursing, the surgeon came in several times post surgery to check on her himself, spotless modern buildings, nurses constantly checking in, and restaurant quality food.

Can’t say she enjoyed the experience being she was so sick but the experience was unreal.

Compared to her stay in the NHS facility a few months before, ****ed up people abusing the staff, throwing up in the waiting room, building almost falling apart, a right mess, not a nurse in sight, no opportunity to speak to a Doctor, crap food, and told she’d then have to wait 18 months for surgery.

No brainer really… if you’ve got the money that is.

 

[Rasputin]

My mums had 2 major surgeries recently at Nuffield hospitals.

Excellent nursing, the surgeon came in several times post surgery to check on her himself, spotless modern buildings, nurses constantly checking in, and restaurant quality food.

Can’t say she enjoyed the experience being she was so sick but the experience was unreal.

Compared to her stay in the NHS facility a few months before, ****ed up people abusing the staff, throwing up in the waiting room, building almost falling apart, a right mess, not a nurse in sight, no opportunity to speak to a Doctor, crap food, and told she’d then have to wait 18 months for surgery.

No brainer really… if you’ve got the money that is.

Exactly and there in lies the rub private health care is significantly better because you’re fundamentally paying at source for it.

What amazes me is that we live in a society where everyone bitches and moans about the cost of consumer things yet simultaneously spending ludicrous sums on cars watches and holidays yet they won’t invest in the it health either by taking a healthier lifestyle or by private health care.

It’s madness to think health gets pushed so far down the tree because the good ole nhs will sort it for you free of charge…. Yet we get taxed through the arse.

 

[willie_gunn]

The best way to explain it I suppose is it's going to make the scenes at Dover this week look like a lovely little family picnic.

Now, have a wonderful evening willie and an even better Easter Sunday.

Best of luck if you're going on an egg hunt.

Have a great Monday too, I hope everyone is nice to you.

We will be putting Easter eggs out in the churchyard tomorrow morning for the children to find after the church service.

Monday looks grim here, though, so we will make the most of it tomorrow. Dinner will be a rainbow trout I caught on Friday.

Enjoy Easter.

 

[Lloyd90]

Exactly and there in lies the rub private health care is significantly better because you’re fundamentally paying at source for it.

What amazes me is that we live in a society where everyone bitches and moans about the cost of consumer things yet simultaneously spending ludicrous sums on cars watches and holidays yet they won’t invest in the it health either by taking a healthier lifestyle or by private health care.

It’s madness to think health gets pushed so far down the tree because the good ole nhs will sort it for you free of charge…. Yet we get taxed through the arse.

I’d gladly take out private health insurance, but can I have some of my tax and NI back then or do I have to pay in for everyone else to abuse the system?


I did a shed load of overtime last year, working 3 jobs at one point saving up.

My best months I did just under £7k I think and took her me about £4K… a good amount for a month but losing 42% to tax … several people said to me they wouldn’t bother as didn’t feel it was worth it losing so much.

 

[Rasputin]

I’d gladly take out private health insurance, but can I have some of my tax and NI back then or do I have to pay in for everyone else to abuse the system?


I did a shed load of overtime last year, working 3 jobs at one point saving up.

My best months I did just under £7k I think and took her me about £4K… a good amount for a month but losing 42% to tax … several people said to me they wouldn’t bother as didn’t feel it was worth it losing so much.

I hear ya it’s sickening isn’t it was in the same boat a few months ago trying to get my business firing again and then they announced the CT rise plus I’m already in the higher tax bracket so it’s just robbed straight away putting your own money at risk just isn’t worth it. When you work out just how much the tax man takes vs the level of service you get not just from the nhs but other things like the roads and infrastructure it’s shameful really.

 

[20-250]

Trust me you don’t go into medicine to make money. Dentistry or law if you want that.

If you're referring to NHS dentistry, you need to do more research.

 

[big ears]

If you're referring to NHS dentistry, you need to do more research.

Just Dentistry in general. Most don’t stick the NHS because of the UDT system

 

[Lloyd90]

If you're referring to NHS dentistry, you need to do more research.

There is no NHS dentistry… good luck trying to find an NHS dentist.

Everyone I used to know of changed over to private asap.

My wife is pregnant so you get free dentistry and she can’t find one who’ll take on NHS.