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Is the 45/70 accurate, yes. My first ever experience was shooting toonies (Canadian one dollar coin) with @alberta boy 's daughter. Great fun.

Does it kick like hell…..not with factory ammo.

Does it have knockdown power…..so far I have shot black bear, whitetail and then on 'liberating' the rifle from its Albertan captor, back here lots of fallow with it. Nothing as of yet has moved after the shot using hornady 325grain ftx leverevolution.

Couple of pics of its journey. The story of the three 45/70's one evening is a great memory, but maybe not one to publish on the internet 😬 mine is the top one that is scoped. Guys tend to use iron sights in Canada…..
 

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Is the 45/70 accurate, yes. My first ever experience was shooting toonies (Canadian one dollar coin) with @alberta boy 's daughter. Great fun.

Does it kick like hell…..not with factory ammo.

Does it have knockdown power…..so far I have shot black bear, whitetail and then on 'liberating' the rifle from its Albertan captor, back here lots of fallow with it. Nothing as of yet has moved after the shot using hornady 325grain ftx leverevolution.

Couple of pics of its journey. The story of the three 45/70's one evening is a great memory, but maybe not one to publish on the internet 😬 mine is the top one that is scoped. Guys tend to use iron sights in Canada…..

What was the process to liberate it?
I assume as you were in person it was somewhat easier? Did you just add it to your FAC and enter the country or did it have to go via an importer so it was “properly traced” on the UK system?
 
I usually stick to low power variables like a Leupold 1.5 -4 or a fixed low power . I have an old Leuplod M8 3 power that has been on more rifles than I can remember . It's sitting on a Savage single shot Model 219 , chambered in 30 /30 , at the moment . I've found that I use the lower settings a lot when hunting in thick cover , sometimes , less is more . I've used a few Scout set ups over the years , they do work , but they have a fairly small field of view when compared with a receiver mounted scope . When using 45/70's , keep in mind that the more eye relief , the better . Ask me how I know lol . I hunt with two guys that use high velocity, heavy bullet loads in their 1895 SBL's , they both have intermediate eye relief , low power , scopes on their rifles to avoid the ocular cookie cutter , something to keep in mind if you intend to go that route . A stainless version in either caliber would be a good idea in the UKs humidity . A blued version is fine , but a stainless rifle is easier to maintain . They are a bit flashy though . There's a picture on here somewhere of an SBL that I ceracoted to make it a little less noticeable , important when you're shooting animals at close range . There are a lot of after market accessories available , especially for the Marlin 1895's and 336's . You can customize them to suit your taste or needs .................... and you will .

AB
 
Ok so today I threw three rounds together.
34gn of n135 and a Speer 130gn bullet.
Didn't measure the length just seated so the crimping groove was just visible and crimped.
Put a crappy target up, took one hundred strides back and shot all three quickly off the tripod.
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About 1.25" group. That'll do nicely thank you ☺️.
 
Nothing wrong with 45/70.
I never scratched the itch.
I didn't fancy a heavy levergun and would probably go for a single shot, even a trapdoor maybe.
I had given it a lot of thought.
I was going to develop a small game load using a ball or some other light bullet.
Possibly stick to black powder for full power and soft lead bullets lubed with stiff beeswax and olive oil mix.
Oh no, I'm now talking myself into it again 🤦
I'm sure I've read of a triple ball load in .45-70? Never tried it, but it would be a laugh.
 
Would you have any thoughts on using a Lee Loader to make ammo? Obviously there's less space for tweaking when you're measuring powder by the scoop, but as you say it would at least guarantee my supply and would pay for itself a lot quicker than a "proper" reloading kit.

I have mixed feelings about this. I started with one, before I understood the difference between FL Sizing and neck sizing. And since I was also starting with a bag of once fired brass, I ended up with about 50% of my first hand loads that wouldn't chamber (worse, some of them got stuck on the bolt face and wouldn't eject either!).

That said, once I learned what I had done wrong, I loaded my first couple hundred rounds with it, and to this day, it's the most accurate ammunition I have ever produced.

So, they have their limitations (mainly that almost all brass will need a FL resize at some point), but they are an excellent "gateway drug" into the cash and time sink that is reloading. If you have the wherewithal to go straight to a hand, or even full press to begin with, I probably would. It gives you more options, and is faster, and means that the "cost" of your reloading can be spread across all the centrefires you shoot. Especially as there is a fair bit of overlap with powders that is good for both 30-30 and 308.

If you do get a Lee Loader though, I practically guarantee that you will want to keep it once you have experienced the fun and satisfaction of being able to bust out some freshly reloaded ammunition anywhere and anywhen. I loaded up a batch at the H4H charity shoot one year, much to the amusement of some!
 
I have mixed feelings about this. I started with one, before I understood the difference between FL Sizing and neck sizing. And since I was also starting with a bag of once fired brass, I ended up with about 50% of my first hand loads that wouldn't chamber (worse, some of them got stuck on the bolt face and wouldn't eject either!).

That said, once I learned what I had done wrong, I loaded my first couple hundred rounds with it, and to this day, it's the most accurate ammunition I have ever produced.

So, they have their limitations (mainly that almost all brass will need a FL resize at some point), but they are an excellent "gateway drug" into the cash and time sink that is reloading. If you have the wherewithal to go straight to a hand, or even full press to begin with, I probably would. It gives you more options, and is faster, and means that the "cost" of your reloading can be spread across all the centrefires you shoot. Especially as there is a fair bit of overlap with powders that is good for both 30-30 and 308.

If you do get a Lee Loader though, I practically guarantee that you will want to keep it once you have experienced the fun and satisfaction of being able to bust out some freshly reloaded ammunition anywhere and anywhen. I loaded up a batch at the H4H charity shoot one year, much to the amusement of some!
Hmmm... Space and cash are probably the main obstacles to a proper setup...

My father-in-law and his son reload target ammo, although neither are live quarry shooters. But maybe I could supply the necessary bits and make use of their gear and expertise.
 
Hmmm... Space and cash are probably the main obstacles to a proper setup...
If cash is an obstacle the a Lee Loader is a very cost effective way to get started.
My father-in-law and his son reload target ammo, although neither are live quarry shooters. But maybe I could supply the necessary bits and make use of their gear and expertise.
Well now, I have not yet encountered a FiL who would willingly pass up the opportunity to show his SiL "how to do it properly"!

Sounds like you have an excellent opportunity to exploit there.
 
Hmmm... Space and cash are probably the main obstacles to a proper setup...

My father-in-law and his son reload target ammo, although neither are live quarry shooters. But maybe I could supply the necessary bits and make use of their gear and expertise.
All you will need is consumables and a set of dies if you can use someone's kit. It's a perfect way to learn too
 
Well now, I have not yet encountered a FiL who would willingly pass up the opportunity to show his SiL "how to do it properly"!

Sounds like you have an excellent opportunity to exploit there.

He's a great bloke but he's also an absolute perfectionist. My "fear" is going away with about 50 different loads to try and becoming utterly bamboozled when all I wanted was something that goes where I'm pointing it and knocks over deer 😂
 
What was the process to liberate it?
I assume as you were in person it was somewhat easier? Did you just add it to your FAC and enter the country or did it have to go via an importer so it was “properly traced” on the UK system?
Since stalker308 hasn't responded , I'll jump in . The process was quite simple , but a bit spread out . Stalker308 has come out a number of times hunting with me and the clan . He's always wanted to take a nice Black Bear , so a few years back we managed to get him a nice example , pictured above . I lent him my Marlin 45/70 for the hunt , he has a 30/06 that he keeps here , but he wanted to use the lever gun for bear . He made a great shot at about 150 yards or so and dropped the bear in it's tracks . He instantly became a 45/70 convert . He was coming back out the next year and asked me to find him a Marlin in 45/70 for our next hunt . I asked him if he wanted mine as it was the rifle he took his bear with . He laughed and said that was what he had in mind , but didn't want to ask . Needless to say , the rifle was his . He put in for a variation on his licence and got it , I gave him the serial number and the rifle was registered on his FAC in the UK . When he came out the following year , he took it home with him after the hunt . There is no paperwork on this end , and since it was on his FAC he just took it through customs and then home . He may have had some minor paperwork on his end , but nothing major . He's actually coming out again this Fall along with Scrumbag , we're going up in the Northern Rockies where the Griz are , there will be a few 45/70s in hand , hopefully I'll get to keep mine this time , we'll see lol .

AB
 
You can reach Scottish legal velocities with 45-70 using lighter bullets (NB. Home loading with 24" barrel):



I don't hunt in Scotland so don't need to chase the numbers, preferring heavy and slow(ish), as the God of 45-70s intended.

I can't complain about accuracy from my Marlin GSBL. It won't rival my bolt actions but plenty good enough for deer at the ranges I hunt:









After more than three shots it starts to heat up and wanders a bit:



My GSBL has a 1-6x scope, which works well for me:



Great little rifle:







That'll work for most things , very nice .

AB
 
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