What scope would you put on my rifle? Disappointed in european hunting scopes offerings..

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75 said:
I don’t get it. You’re buying another identical rifle in the same calibre to shoot a marginally better BC bullet out to 400m?

Just learn your current drops and get on with it.

Or am missing something??
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Maybe i didn't explain my point well or maybe my first post was too long to read ahah! Firstly, i want to have two rifles, one more suited for woods and closer distances (better low light performances, faster and easier to use, lighter and handier) and one rifle for more open country (heavier because of the bigger scope and the bipod but capable to shoot 2 times the range of the other one with much higher BC bullets-0.3 to 0.5). Secondly, i would keep one of the rifles, the old one, zeroed with bullets more suited for bigger games and closer distances. Thirdly, the b14 i own now is not usable past 250 yards, period: it doesn't have a bdc turret or a bdc reticle and i never guess randomly elevation or wind, i am very picky with it cause I don't want animals to suffer.

The fact that the rifle would be identical (only the rifle, not the rest of the setup, which affects much more how will the system perform in various conditions), just makes more sense to me than buying a different one and then switching from one rifle to a different one (with different ergonomics and trigger).

But maybe it's me missing something so please elaborate on your post! Thanks!
 
Fair Hill said:
Get a .270
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I really don't like the fact that the barrel life is much shorter, i shoot my hunting rifles a lot to train and check zero systematically. Other than that, i like 30 cal for big boars and in Italy 308 is much more available than 270 (and there are much more rifles chambered in it). A 308 inside 400 meters is gtg but only if you have a way to adjust precisely, that's why i am asking to you guys a siggestion for a scope (and i am getting a good amount of suggestions!).
 
Thanks man, i will look into this scope. The main difference between that and the other s&b they suggested me is the bigger 56mm lens i guess
 
Dalua said:
That's super - as long as you know it's an 8mph wind, and it's constant in strength and direction all along the 350m.
Personally, I'm just not good enough at wind-reading to do that. Hence, covered wind-turrets are just fine for me.
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Everything depends on the enviroment where you hunt. I was totally fine with them also but now i got a different hunting district and there i need more range. Of course past 250 meters variables become much greater and more difficult to predict amd compensate for but if you can renounce to shoot when conditions are not ideal a 400 meters shot is doable. Of course your setup must be perfectly tuned. Giving the possibility to adjust for elevation and not for wind, like many hunting scope do, it's just gonna give people the opportunity to shoot longer but without being able to compensate for a critical variable, the wind. If you stretch distances past 250 meters or so you must be able to adjust precisely for wind, otherwise you are just throwing lead downrange hoping for the best.. and i wouldn't ever do it

Edit: yes, i have to know it is a 8 mph wind. If it's not costant i will measure or guess (i trainer a lot with anemometers and usually guess wind speed decently) the velocity when it's lower and then wait for the wind to get there to take a shot. It works. Of course valleys, peaks, threes influence the wind and the wind won't be the same along the bullet travel but the wind impacts the trajectory of the bullet much more when it's closer to the shooter. Of course hunting is not a science but with a good method, at reasonable distances, most variables can be compensated for.
 
HandB said:
Your current setup is excellent and delivers superb accuracy with small groups of 0.3 to 0.7 MOA. With such good performance it will do perfectly well at 400m so I suggest keep enjoying it and don't bother buying another rifle or scope. Spend the money saved on ammo.
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Luckily i worked hard to get a decent job so money is not a concern. As far as keeping enjoying my rifle, i will do it for sure. As far as accuracy it would do very well much past 400 meters, you are right, but the scope setup and the ammo it's zeroed with limit the effective range to 225 meters (accurate compensations for elevation and windage are impossible, very low BC and relatively slow bullets). That rifle works perfectly, surely better than the one i am building, at closer ranges and I wanna keep it like this. And it's a great excuse to buy another one!

But again, if you wanna expand on your answer i am more than happy to re-evaluate my decisions :)
 
What ranges are you looking to shoot in these “open areas” that a sub 0.5. MOA .308 won’t cover it?

I ask that as I shoot .308 out to 1000y and it does that just fine! If your rifle is 0.5MOA at 100y it should (all things being equal) be shooting a 2” group at 400y and a 3” at 600y which should be enough for anything you plan on shooting.

If you are still set on getting another rifle then personally my experience has been with Swaro or Leupold scopes which are both excellent. Leupold are very well priced, Swaro less so but they are top notch scopes with a lifetime guarantee, so buy once cry once.
 
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stubear said:
What ranges are you looking to shoot in these “open areas” that a sub 0.5. MOA .308 won’t cover it?

I ask that as I shoot .308 out to 1000y and it does that just fine! If your rifle is 0.5MOA at 100y it should (all things being equal) be shooting a 2” group at 400y and a 3” at 600y which should be enough for anything you plan on shooting.

If you are still set on getting another rifle then personally my experience has been with Swaro or Leupold scopes which are both excellent. Leupold are very well priced, Swaro less so but they are top notch scopes with a lifetime guarantee, so buy once cry once.
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I have heard leupold scopes don't have low light performances comparable to swaro, is this true or just a myth?

In regard to the rifle being accurate enough to shoot at 4 and 600 meters.. you are right. But, as i wrote above many times, with that setup i CAN NOT make precise holds or turret adjustments for the drop so, without this possibility, the mechanical accuracy doesn't result in real word accuracy at distance. And, as i said, i want to keep that rifle as it is, intended for hunting in less open areas, so that's why i am not simply swapping the scope but i am gonna buy a new rifle (which has anyway a relatively low cost with its 800-900 euros in comparison to the 3 thousands euros scope i am putting on it). So why don't having to rifles setup in a totally different way for two different applications? Both will be pretty good at everything and pretty versatile but everyone of the two will be better in specific conditions. I think this is why most of us have more than one hunting rifle afterall
 
I think your idea of a longer range setup for a new rifle, a better BC bullet and a 300 yard zero would reduce your issues, combine that with a decent set of DOPE and. Scope that suits you in my opinion would totally meet your needs.
Recommended scopes are great, however nothing works as well as looking through them and seeing what suits you (I have issues with Vortex despite them being decent scope (middle/top of their range, I don’t rate the cheaper stuff at all). Sightron and IOR glass suits me very well. You need to get out window shopping 👍
 
As soon as I saw the thread title, I though this has got caberslash written all over it, why not just have PM conversation with him.
 
I don't care for anything over x44 for an open terrain scope, anything over 18 mag is probably not required either on deer sized game/targets, that's a lot of mag!

1" tube aircraft grade alu tube will help reduce weight.

cluttered reticles are awful, a simple duplex or mildot is sufficient

dial for elevation, hold off for wind either measured against the animal or using mildots as hold off points.

locked elevation cap is preferable to avoid changed settings during travel, but not capped.

I don't care much for illuminated reticles or excessively large ocular lens housing diameters, nor short eye relief

there should be plenty of mounting space to accomodate for both SA, LA, and Magnum length receivers without having to compensate for eye relief issues by raising the scope stupidly high.

let me know if you find such a scope, been looking for a while ;-)
 
randello88 said:
This doesn't make much sense to me since wind is a big variable when shooting past 300 meters or so…
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It’s significantly less of a variable if you choose a chambering other than .308.

Why the concern about barrel life? Rebarrelling frequency shouldn’t be an issue if you have money to burn.
 
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trickie said:
I think your idea of a longer range setup for a new rifle, a better BC bullet and a 300 yard zero would reduce your issues, combine that with a decent set of DOPE and. Scope that suits you in my opinion would totally meet your needs.
Recommended scopes are great, however nothing works as well as looking through them and seeing what suits you (I have issues with Vortex despite them being decent scope (middle/top of their range, I don’t rate the cheaper stuff at all). Sightron and IOR glass suits me very well. You need to get out window shopping 👍
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Exactly what i think about rifle setups. Having one rifle to do everything is doable but not ideal if you hunt in very different enviroments.
You are right.. i should have spent more time at the italian gun show last month 🤦
 
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