What scope would you put on my rifle? Disappointed in european hunting scopes offerings..

[randello88]

I have been using this FFP 3-20x50 US PMII scope for several years now and could not be happier. Low turret on the top that is lockable, p4Lfine reticle illuminated that does not cover too much,not too busy but lets you measure things at distance. When I grab my rifle with this scope on I know I have the best.

On my CTR in 308

edi

I was also thhinking of a stock upgrade initially and I was looking at a pse stock but then i understood they don't have a drop in model for a b14 bergara. Btw how does a pse stock compares to a mcmillan?

20× is too much for me but a lower magnificstion pm2 would work well. Either that or a minox zp5

 

[User00040]

You lot have too much money to spend.

Last thing I would be doing is buying a European made scope.

Their warranty is generally not a lifetime one, servicing costs the same as buying a secondhand scope. Usually very heavy and a 34mm or even 36mm (better still 40mm?) is ridiculous!

Do you have the equipment to test tracking and zero retention? Without that, you are missing important information. Much more useful than a borescope...

Might make a thread on how to mount a scope, from choosing components to bedding the rail or bases. But this one is pretty good!



When I see a good scope mounted poorly, it hurts!

 

[randello88]

You lot have too much money to spend.

Last thing I would be doing is buying a European made scope.

Their warranty is generally not a lifetime one, servicing costs the same as buying a secondhand scope. Usually very heavy and a 34mm or even 36mm (better still 40mm?) is ridiculous!

Do you have the equipment to test tracking and zero retention? Without that, you are missing important information. Much more useful than a borescope...

Might make a thread on how to mount a scope, from choosing components to bedding the rail or bases. But this one is pretty good!



When I see a good scope mounted poorly, it hurts!

I definitely can mount a scope properly and i can test tracking

 

[Muntybuck5803]

I’ve recently picked up a used S&B Klassik 3-12x42 with ballistic turrets on elevation and windage with an illuminated reticle in the FFP.
More than suitable for shooting out to 3-400m.
Something similar to that would suit your needs I reckon (if you did want to give the Euro glass a go again)

 

[HonestJohn]

you could do worse than one of these - FDN 10X - US Optics, or the 3.2-17x50 if you MUST have more than 10x

 

[stubear]

I have heard leupold scopes don't have low light performances comparable to swaro, is this true or just a myth?

In regard to the rifle being accurate enough to shoot at 4 and 600 meters.. you are right. But, as i wrote above many times, with that setup i CAN NOT make precise holds or turret adjustments for the drop so, without this possibility, the mechanical accuracy doesn't result in real word accuracy at distance. And, as i said, i want to keep that rifle as it is, intended for hunting in less open areas, so that's why i am not simply swapping the scope but i am gonna buy a new rifle (which has anyway a relatively low cost with its 800-900 euros in comparison to the 3 thousands euros scope i am putting on it). So why don't having to rifles setup in a totally different way for two different applications? Both will be pretty good at everything and pretty versatile but everyone of the two will be better in specific conditions. I think this is why most of us have more than one hunting rifle afterall

That’s fair mate - and who am I to say don’t buy another one! You can never have too many rifles

I’ve honestly not noticed any discernible real world difference in low light performance between Swaro and Leupold - the glass seems to be excellent in both

 

[308rws]

Here's another option for you:

With a choice of 3 reticles: EOTECH Vudu® 3.5-18x50 FFP

 

[JH83]

You lot have too much money to spend.

Last thing I would be doing is buying a European made scope.

Their warranty is generally not a lifetime one, servicing costs the same as buying a secondhand scope. Usually very heavy and a 34mm or even 36mm (better still 40mm?) is ridiculous!

Do you have the equipment to test tracking and zero retention? Without that, you are missing important information. Much more useful than a borescope...

Might make a thread on how to mount a scope, from choosing components to bedding the rail or bases. But this one is pretty good!



When I see a good scope mounted poorly, it hurts!

Yeah, but they are rather good aren’t they??

I mean Schmidt don’t supply most of the worlds snipers/police marksmen because they are crap.

To the OP; a Schmidt polar, or 4-16/3-20 PMII is going to do everything you’ll need it to. Having used several American brands they don’t hold a candle to the top flight European brands. Hey, everyone’s eyes are different!

 

[User00040]

Yeah, but they are rather good aren’t they??

I mean Schmidt don’t supply most of the worlds snipers/police marksmen because they are crap.

To the OP; a Schmidt polar, or 4-16/3-20 PMII is going to do everything you’ll need it to. Having used several American brands they don’t hold a candle to the top flight European brands. Hey, everyone’s eyes are different!

Yup, because they win contracts with them?

Notice how the prices of S&B have crept up to the point they are nearly 2x what they were 5 years ago?

I owned a PMII Ultrashort and was underwhelmed. Issue with turret out of the box. Used others (5-25x) and not impressed.

People buy them for the 'sniper' credentials but eventually realise they are a poor scope for most stalking situations.

For a long time the Japanese scopes by LOW have been made well, but they don't hold value if they hold the name 'Bushnell'.

Love mine, should probably stop recommending them or else their prices will increase and I won't be able to afford any more!

Already ruined the market for Ross telescopes!

 

[paul o']

I'v had the V8's and had the Z6i's also had the S&B's all are very nice and have good and bad but now have and ill whisper this Hawk ?
Kid you not there warranty is better and there build is up there but at far less outlay .

 

[HonestJohn]

Just get a Zeiss 4x32 and crawl closer. Job done

 

[TringSaint]

Thanks man, i'll look into it.

Check out the delta and Rudolph scopes. I have both and are great on my rifles (delta on the 243, rupolph on the 6.5 and 308).

 

[JH83]

Yup, because they win contracts with them?

Notice how the prices of S&B have crept up to the point they are nearly 2x what they were 5 years ago?

I owned a PMII Ultrashort and was underwhelmed. Issue with turret out of the box. Used others (5-25x) and not impressed.

People buy them for the 'sniper' credentials but eventually realise they are a poor scope for most stalking situations.

For a long time the Japanese scopes by LOW have been made well, but they don't hold value if they hold the name 'Bushnell'.

Love mine, should probably stop recommending them or else their prices will increase and I won't be able to afford any more!

Already ruined the market for Ross telescopes!

The military test them to destruction and clearly prefer the brand-hence the contrary is awarded. They are respected for being built like tanks, a mate who was in Afghan saw one dropped from a chopper on an AI from height and it held zero. That’s why, I suspect, the price has gone up-harder to source as military contracts to satisfy. Rare things cost a lot! I’ve had Schmidt for 15 years, it’s the only make I keep coming back to, had them all (apart from Zeiss!). As much as I like swaro optics they simply seem more delicate, my local gunsmith told me he’d had to return quite a few, never with Schmidt !

Can’t speak to the scopes you talk of, I did have a bushnell elite once upon a time and the screws dropped out of the parallax so I wasn’t smitten ! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose

 

[John Gryphon]

but i don't find any offering i like looking at swaro/zeiss/khales/leica/S&B scopes

If you think you cannot find what you want among these five brands then if or when you do find something else it will be a backwards step and that is plain and simple.

 

[HonestJohn]

Check out the delta and Rudolph scopes. I have both and are great on my rifles (delta on the 243, rupolph on the 6.5 and 308).

Rudolph scope!!! you're f**king kidding, does it have a red nose, or red dot?

 

[John Gryphon]

does it have a red nose, or red dot?

a red arse like a monkey

 

[HonestJohn]

a red arse like a monkey

a red monkey arse flying backwards through the Christmas sky,..a perfect analogy for a rifle scope.

...I'm going to bed...

 

[John Gryphon]

...I'm going to bed...

yes,its time.

 

[randello88]

I’ve recently picked up a used S&B Klassik 3-12x42 with ballistic turrets on elevation and windage with an illuminated reticle in the FFP.
More than suitable for shooting out to 3-400m.
Something similar to that would suit your needs I reckon (if you did want to give the Euro glass a go again)

Did you have problems because of the lack of parallax adjustments?

 

[Malxwal]

Nightforce NX8 2.5-20x50, FFP ret in Milrad or MOA if you want/need to range using reticle without being at full magnification, or SFP if you want to only dial.