Sako 90

[ejg]

No, please no ! The dedicated actions are a very big thing , why buy a 223 and have it built on a 30-06 frame with magazine packers ? if i but a smaller cartridge i want the rifle suitably scaled ! if i wanted my 223 to be the size of my 260 rem i would likely just use a longer cartridge than the .223 , likewise why buy 308 if the gun can take 30-06 ?frame wise
The 75 is real easy to drop a mag and slap in a fresh loaded one , looking at shooting as many as i can culling a group i set up ready for a fast mag change before i start , if your scared of loosing a mag put some tape over the mag

I meant more down the lines of 3 action sizes in the case of a 85. Just like Rem clone actions now in three sizes. Saying that the T3 is a lighter and stiffer action than any of the 75/85 actions. Less cut out top and bottom. So why choose a heavier action for a 223?
All new Sako developments will be judged against a T3, which is starting to become a benchmark. I mean this overall, not only stalking and not only UK.
edi

 

[User00040]

All new Sako developments will be judged against a T3, which is starting to become a benchmark. I mean this overall, not only stalking and not only UK.
edi

The Supervarmint and CTR are now the best factory rifles available to buy off the shelf when specced with an adjustable stock, pic rail and two stage trigger. Like the fact they offer the latter in 6.5PRC now!



Only issue is that Beretta is concious of these 'cheap' models outselling their 'premium' brands so the price is only going

 

[Acm]

Not sure what advantage top-loading gives.

I load all my floorplate rifles from the bottom, by opening the floorplate latch and having the bolt closed, as shown here:



Reduces stress on the magazine spring and follower, less likely to have feeding problems, allows the use of a picatinny rail over the top of the action which leaves the loading port obscured from the top.

And a picatinny rail is a definite advantage...

Just personal preference. But I own and am happy with a tikka. It’s just the one thing I’d change.

 

[Dunwaters]

If I have the issue of not enough rounds in the mag, in my rifles I change from 3 shot aics to 4 shot, or 5 shot or 8 shot or 10 shot magazines.
edi

Magazine capacity is irrelevant.
If I fire a shot, or two or three shots, regardless of magazine capacity, my rifle is no longer fully loaded, if I can top it up, through the open bolt, without removing the magazine ( which I can), that’s an advantage.

 

[User00040]

Just personal preference. But I own and am happy with a tikka. It’s just the one thing I’d change.

Yes, their factory magazines are not the most durable either and £50 a pop for a new one!

Magazine capacity is irrelevant.
If I fire a shot, or two or three shots, regardless of magazine capacity, my rifle is no longer fully loaded, if I can top it up, without removing the magazine ( which I can), that’s an advantage.

Yes, perfect way to get sand/mud/blood/dirt into the action whilst risking the possibility of a mis-feed. Sounds like a great idea!

 

[JH83]

@caberslash your fault for buying Remingtons mate

Get a nice 75 instead, won’t matter if it gets gunged up then.

Y’welcome

 

[JH83]

Magazine capacity is irrelevant.
If I fire a shot, or two or three shots, regardless of magazine capacity, my rifle is no longer fully loaded, if I can top it up, through the open bolt, without removing the magazine ( which I can), that’s an advantage.

Yep. How often culling do you take a shot or 2 and have a slight pause to see reactions of other beasts that might give you time to ‘top up’ and get stuck in when the opportunities arise, fairly often! On hinds I generally stalk with a spare as well but certain do as described whenever possible.

 

[ejg]

Magazine capacity is irrelevant.
If I fire a shot, or two or three shots, regardless of magazine capacity, my rifle is no longer fully loaded, if I can top it up, through the open bolt, without removing the magazine ( which I can), that’s an advantage.

Well, it is simple, top loading makes the action weaker because the cut out is larger, secondly in general magazines that do not central feed are less reliable than central feed. The reliability is my main reason why I prefer AICS magazines. If hunting with a CTR magazine I mainly load 7-8 rounds, never ten. Once I have shot my first Hind and calf I still have as much rounds as a fully loaded Sako. Don't need to load up again... but can if I want.
Top loading?? means first unload the chambered round then load the mag full again fumbling in from the top? Instead of leaving the chambered round, mag out and load the missing rounds? Not much gain.
edi

 

[Dunwaters]

Yes, their factory magazines are not the most durable either and £50 a pop for a new one!



Yes, perfect way to get sand/mud/blood/dirt into the action whilst risking the possibility of a mis-feed. Sounds like a great idea!

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It hasn’t been a problem for around 120 years, but if you say so that’s more than good enough for me.
Its nice to know that we’re all wrong and that our classic magazine fed bolt action rifles are now totally obsolete and worthless unless they can be converted to accept a detachable plastic box.
You’ll forgive me if I don’t rush off to the gunsmiths to have the work initiated immediately, but I think I’d like to get a second opinion before I tear into it.

 

[ejg]

Dunwater, I'd leave that rifle as is... of course. Just a bit too nice or sensitive for my kind of shooting.
edi

 

[Dunwaters]

Well, it is simple, top loading makes the action weaker because the cut out is larger, secondly in general magazines that do not central feed are less reliable than central feed. The reliability is my main reason why I prefer AICS magazines. If hunting with a CTR magazine.

Irrelevant unless you’re in the top 5% of bench rest shooters and with respect the Mauser 98 has set the standard for bolt action reliability for 125 years, it doesn’t centre feed, doesn’t have a detachable box and still hasn’t been bettered.

Top loading?? means first unload the chambered round then load the mag full again fumbling in from the top? Instead of leaving the chambered round, mag out and load the missing rounds? Not much gain.
edi

No, shoot, eject, reload.
Repeat as often as required or until the magazine is exhausted.
If you fire your last shot, open the bolt eject the case and thumb in the reloads.
If you’re just topping up, draw the bolt back, push the extracted round down into the mag and follow it with the rest.
Push the bolt forward, you’re now locked and fully loaded.

 

[Dunwaters]

Dunwater, I'd leave that rifle as is... of course. Just a bit too nice or sensitive for my kind of shooting.
edi

Thanks, I have a plastic ‘85 too, it has a detachable magazine, but I run it the same way, I’m paranoid about losing mags….

 

[ejg]

Irrelevant unless you’re in the top 5% of bench rest shooters and with respect the Mauser 98 has set the standard for bolt action reliability for 125 years, it doesn’t centre feed, doesn’t have a detachable box and still hasn’t been bettered.

No, shoot, eject, reload.
Repeat as often as required or until the magazine is exhausted.
If you fire your last shot, open the bolt eject the case and thumb in the reloads.
If you’re just topping up, draw the bolt back, push the extracted round down into the mag and follow it with the rest.
Push the bolt forward, you’re now locked and fully loaded.

No, shoot chamber new round to see if the animal stays down.
edi

 

[Dave Lakes]

It hasn’t been a problem for around 120 years, but if you say so that’s more than good enough for me.
Its nice to know that we’re all wrong and that our classic magazine fed bolt action rifles are now totally obsolete and worthless unless they can be converted to accept a detachable plastic box.
You’ll forgive me if I don’t rush off to the gunsmiths to have the work initiated immediately, but I think I’d like to get a second opinion before I tear into it.View attachment 308256

That’s lovely. Is it a 75? Did you get that engraving done?

 

[rem284]

Magazine capacity is irrelevant.
If I fire a shot, or two or three shots, regardless of magazine capacity, my rifle is no longer fully loaded, if I can top it up, through the open bolt, without removing the magazine ( which I can), that’s an advantage.

To add, the benefit also enables:- if a shot is not taken and the rifle needs to have the bolt opened and the unfired cartridge placed back into the magazine it can be done by just knocking it back in through the ejection port and pushing it into the magazine. A lot easier to do than describe and a lot easier than having to remove a magazine from the rifle, put cartridge back in then put magazine back in rifle. Doesn't sound much but it is a pita when night shooting or day shooting from.a vehicle

 

[rem284]

A bit of leaked info from RFD, starting price for the new Sako £3.2k….. Suppose we’ll have to wait till 10am tomorrow morning to find out….

Ooch! I hope for that there is carbon fibre barrel, stock, adjustable cheek piece. Integrated recoil lug, flushcup swivels, full length intregraded picatinny rail. Versions to suit all tastes. Mtr for me please

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

top feed mags have been the go to option for hunters since time began
doesnt mean you can't load the mag out of the action

what it does mean is you can go from loaded to closing the bolt on an empty chamber without having a spare round in your hand

Simply are no negatives to this
Action strength is moot, not managed to break one yet or demonstrate higher level of accuracy purely down to action flex
I have had more issues with central feed mags than double stack ones.
There is no more issue with spring stress or dirt ingress than with any other mag/port design
you can still use a picatinny

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

A bit of leaked info from RFD, starting price for the new Sako £3.2k….. Suppose we’ll have to wait till 10am tomorrow morning to find out….

I don’t think we’re finding out until the 10th! Not according to Sako on IG, anyway

 

[long_range_rob]

A bit of leaked info from RFD, starting price for the new Sako £3.2k….. Suppose we’ll have to wait till 10am tomorrow morning to find out….

That’s the price for top of the range carbon stocked jobbie. More like £2k for the basics

 

[Bowland blades]

I meant more down the lines of 3 action sizes in the case of a 85. Just like Rem clone actions now in three sizes. Saying that the T3 is a lighter and stiffer action than any of the 75/85 actions. Less cut out top and bottom. So why choose a heavier action for a 223?
All new Sako developments will be judged against a T3, which is starting to become a benchmark. I mean this overall, not only stalking and not only UK.
edi

I havent personally been taken by a tika from the start of the T3 not a bad rifle just not for me . I still feel the 595 was better especially when it had a metal rather than plastic mag and housing.
I feel i am unlikely to purchase any factory rifle brand new today ( well if i had the money maybe the sako 75 upgraded copy comming out of Canada ) But it pretty much mirrors what i have a custom barrel Mc Millan stock , bedded with pillars and ceracoated 75