Sako 90
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norcan
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I suppose one benefit to that rail design compared to a full-length one is that it actually looks good.
HonestJohn
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Ok, e-type jaguar rather tan Morris Minor
We will see in a 100 years time, or notIs it really? Cartridges of similar capacity all perform pretty much the same. I mean, centrefire smokeless-powder rifles are about a 150-year-old technology and the performance improvements have come from developments in bullet profile and powder chemistry, not case design.
Bullet selection is one thing, but I'm yet to be convinced that switching to trendy stubbier cases that don't feed as smoothly gives any meaningful benefit aside from letting Amercians run the cartridges in an AR-10 platform (c.f. 6.5x55 vs. 6.5CM).
I'll bet you that the 30-06 sticks around a lot longer than the latest wonder chambering that's being marketed.
norcan
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Carbon or not, a fancy Sako wouldn't be my first choice as a utilitarian rifle.
Anyway, plenty of 20-MOA-and-beyond mounts available for those who want to wring more range out of the integrated rail. And personally, I don't mind the look of the carbon options; they certainly seem well-designed and -manufactured.
norcan
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Which one is supposed to be the elegant E-Type in this comparison?
Except for the 6.5 CM and whatever the civilian version of NATO's 6.8 mm intermediate cartridge ends up being called, which newly-introduced chamberings do you see as more likely to be around a century from now as currently-established ones (e.g. .223, .308, 30-06)?
Well, I won't really hope any of them. Hopefully, we will learn to take advantage of further technology developments as it comes along instead of having the mind-set of what was good 100 years ago is as good or better than today's latest developments. I use a 270w regularly and a 6.5-284 not so regularly. Now, it's a bit unfair to compare because one is factory rifle and shooting factory ammo and the other is semi-custom shooting tuned homelands. If someone said let's see how well you can shoot at distance, then the 6.5-284 would be my choice. Even that is old technology compared to the latest. There are 2 that I am keeping an eye on and that is 6.5prc and 7mm prc. Just need mainstream manufacturers to make rifles and ammunition both in toxic and nontoxic
I do think Sako 90 will be chambered for the 270w along with others given time
I do think Sako 90 will be chambered for the 270w along with others given time
TringSaint
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And I don’t think the deer have much of an opinion either!!Is it really? Cartridges of similar capacity all perform pretty much the same. I mean, centrefire smokeless-powder rifles are about a 150-year-old technology and the performance improvements have come from developments in bullet profile and powder chemistry, not case design.
Bullet selection is one thing, but I'm yet to be convinced that switching to trendy stubbier cases that don't feed as smoothly gives any meaningful benefit aside from letting Amercians run the cartridges in an AR-10 platform (c.f. 6.5x55 vs. 6.5CM).
I'll bet you that the 30-06 sticks around a lot longer than the latest wonder chambering that's being marketed.
norcan
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Indeed, Sako tends to offer a pretty broad range of chamberings.
In any case (no pun intended), I see brass centrefire cartridges as a mature technology, where there are no real gains to be extracted without a cost in some other aspect of performance.
Consider the previously-hyped WSM and WSSM; they duplicate the performance of earlier cartridges in a shorter package, but the feeding is pretty crap so they failed to catch on and are effectively becoming orphaned now.
And that's probably no accident, because there is definitely one way that "new and improved" cartridges unambiguously offer better performance: convincing people that they need a new rifle, which I suspect is the main reason that the industry loves to introduce them.
I'm sure new rifle sales will still be going strong so long as the myth; that cartridge headstamps and rifles makes matter more than bullets, is perpetuated.
Design better bullets, and barrel/rifle makers are forced to improve twist rates and magazine lengths. Better scopes required better mounting systems (picatinny 1913/STANAG standard). The next frontier is ARCA adaptable bipods and tripods which have made aftermarket stock/chassis manufacturers take note.
The failure to consider these points shows that SAKO needs a new product designer.
Design better bullets, and barrel/rifle makers are forced to improve twist rates and magazine lengths. Better scopes required better mounting systems (picatinny 1913/STANAG standard). The next frontier is ARCA adaptable bipods and tripods which have made aftermarket stock/chassis manufacturers take note.
The failure to consider these points shows that SAKO needs a new product designer.
TringSaint
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Totally agree.
6.5 SE is an old cartridge but it performs its role excellently. Ok, the 6.5CM might fit certain platforms better and might offer marginal performance improvements, but to the average stalker it makes little difference.
At the end of the day, any 100gn+ bullet exiting the barrel at 2700fps+ and hitting the target in the right place will do the job. There are no extra points for style!!
As long as it’s accurate and has good stopping power then it’s the right cartridge for the job.
Sako Introduces New Model 90
https://www.sako.global/series/sako-90 This is an interesting development from Sako. For a while, it looked as if the M100 was going to be the successor to the 85, but this 90 appears to be that successor. It is really an improved (in some ways) 85. The dual plunger ejectors would appear to be...
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Hook'N'Bullet
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A person's nationality is not their race, and the concept of a 'race' in itself is a pretty flawed one...
James Paris Lee, born in the Scottish Borders and later emigrated to Canada, patented the box magazine back in the late 1800's, which was inherently detachable in his actions (although they were usually kept with the weapon, due to high production costs in comparison to stripper clips). This concept has gone on to be quite successful, with most modern rifles adopting the concept.
The Lee action had a good run too and the design proved to be highly adaptable, well ahead of it's time as evidenced by it's use into the 1980's in the L42A1.
Below, in use by British Forces suppressing the Ulster Rising:
Enough history for you?
Never heard of an Ulster Rising
Never heard of an Ulster Rising
Meant to be Easter
Errr…. Have you not seen the TRG M10, TRG22, TRG22 A1. All have rails and are designed for long range precision. The 90 is a hunting rifle.
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