Hard to see how it will be a money maker for BDS if it is in direct competition for their existing deer management course unless they drop that and jump on board with this one?
New Deer Management Certificate (DMC) from DMQ
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Didn’t know BASC had a previous DMC, thought it was only BDS and Jelen?
timbrayford
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Precisely the woefully ignorant attitude that apparently prevails in the public sector
Sampo
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Ever heard of something called 'sarcasm'
timbrayford
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Yes, but given the disrespectful attitude of the public sector towards the nations deer it is a point worthy of mentionEver heard of something called 'sarcasm'
StephenToast
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David Barker
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IMO DMQ is run by a bunch of knowledge-less parasites these are the people sitting advising government on how to manage there deer. So if they were that good at passing on there wisdom why is our management of deer in such a bad state. I would like to know who the trainers are because most of the Assessors have dropped DMQ off there book,s. No Doubt there will be a bunch of cert collectors who will pay to keep DMQ/BASC/BDS in the stile there have become accustom to.
Nots so bad lad
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Where do your your facts from ? DMQ I found run by very knowledgeable people and it was pleasure to do level 1 and 2 which are the recognised and recommended ones to do .
I for one don't think its a bad thing.
In my opinion there's enough people shooting deer who arent fit to do so.
Including many who have their dsc's. Further training for many would be appropriate.
In my opinion there's enough people shooting deer who arent fit to do so.
Including many who have their dsc's. Further training for many would be appropriate.
bottletopbill
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I have just shot my first deer after doing my DSC1 WENT OUT WITH A GREAT STALKER. had so much to take in and great advice given to me.
Yes and still a lot more to learn in stalking.
So i would say go out with a stalker first or some one who as shot a few deer to learn.
Yes and still a lot more to learn in stalking.
So i would say go out with a stalker first or some one who as shot a few deer to learn.
Overlay
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If you've got enough interest in something that doesn't come overnight and you have to work at it to get experience and sound knowledge, theres a huge learning curve to stalking deer and it takes time and committment there aint no easy short cut unless of course you want to cheat yourself, or if next year you'll try golf or something else, whether you start out with an outfitter or a mate, whatever way you progress the old way being taken out and or courses, its irrelevant how you do your journey as long as you pick up experience and enjoy every minute good or bad
Whether you taken the path to include courses or not, the bits of paperwork are here to stay, I'm pretty sure those same bits of paper will gain you your continued / renewal Fac in the near future, the writings on the wall, NRA training module , SSC, DSC 1 even a shooting club portfolio - levels of competence I can see they will be mandatory sooner than you think, even before you get your ticket granted, this ain't the time to sit back and say I'm alright jack - its pretty obvious more changes are on route from different avenues
Only my opinion
Whether you taken the path to include courses or not, the bits of paperwork are here to stay, I'm pretty sure those same bits of paper will gain you your continued / renewal Fac in the near future, the writings on the wall, NRA training module , SSC, DSC 1 even a shooting club portfolio - levels of competence I can see they will be mandatory sooner than you think, even before you get your ticket granted, this ain't the time to sit back and say I'm alright jack - its pretty obvious more changes are on route from different avenues
Only my opinion
bottletopbill
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Overlay i have heard they want to know you perms and clubs now.
Yes we are going to face harder times and more demands in owning a gun and training.
This is why we need you guys with the vast experience to teach us newbies what to do and learn our to do it hands on.
So many of us want to learn and gain the knowledge from you guys.
Yes we are going to face harder times and more demands in owning a gun and training.
This is why we need you guys with the vast experience to teach us newbies what to do and learn our to do it hands on.
So many of us want to learn and gain the knowledge from you guys.
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David Barker
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Overlay looks good in black and white and the story you told has been doing the rounds since 1998 when DMQ started following the NSC. I would say you dont need to learn at all and the Scottish government will now make it easier for all to pick up a rifle stick on a thermal no need to worry about seasons most of the time just shoot and kill. There is no need for certs at all it was all a very lucrative red herring. Now if you want to turn your hobbie in to a job then hey go sit some qualifications.
Overlay
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For me no need to, it’s what I do for my preference and also my work which I’ve been doing it for many years, sporting and commercial and have grown with the system in England and Scotland, all disciplines of shooting will be all poured into a funnel and what comes out the other end will be completely different to what is seen now as normal, firearm ownership, so called conservation of the environment fauna and flora, non lead, invasive species control, predator control the list is endless, the one thing for sure, deer stalking will change and within that there is compliance, if you think you can just run along doing what you want to do - good luck to you
but I’ve got a feeling it will only be for a short term, sometimes you need to look forward to what’s happening in what you do either for sporting or commercial work plan and shape your place and future in deer stalking as in any other discipline that involves firearms and quarry species, whether we like it or not times are changing,shooting in every quarter is under scrutiny and a threat that is very real, you want to let it run over you that’s fine, that’s not how I see it right now shooting people have a lot to lose,
Overlay
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That’s normal Bill, and to be expected in most police areas, one thing for sure it won’t be getting any less
So 40 or 50% pass mark is standard at degree level (40% for BSc, 50% for MSc).
The logic is that if you set appropriately open ended questions, there is a lower threshold where you demonstrate the bare minimum of basic factual knowledge, and then allow space above that to recognise and reward variation all the way up to truly exceptional. So 40% would showing no more development beyond the memorised facts from the course material and DSC2, while 70% would be writing a professional standard DMP and 90% would be writing a DMP that changed the way the assessor thought about deer management.
What this seems to be doing is implying it’s not just a test of factual recall, but of understanding and independent thinking.
However, I am extremely sceptical. If they have a pre set question bank, it’s not open ended.
They’re obviously trying to position it as something more ‘academic’, without any evidence that they know how to do this.
To be fair, that's really no different to the BDS Deer Management Course, which also requires candidates to "to sit a short answer question paper and produce a representative deer management report".
As I recall from when I did it back in 2010, the short answer question paper was of the type "What does the abbreviation HACCP stand for?" Factual recall at its best!
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