Yet another nail in the coffin!! Our job is hard enough with the lack of predators (supposedly) and they are all killing nature hand over foot without this on top!! If this law gets passed then shooting will be over within 10 years unless there’s a massive U turn.sad sad times
Snares in Scotland proposed to be banned
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Rake Aboot
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Well they quietly banned catching rabbits with lurchers so their agenda is obvious.
We really have to get away from the word "snares". It belongs to the outmoded media stereotype of the callous Edwardian kill-em-all keeper, and should not be applied to modern humane cable restraints (HCRs). The term "HCR" is not PC spin for a snare: it denotes an altogether different thing. HCRs have been painstakingly developed to avoid all the things that made the snares of past eras cruel and indiscriminate, to the extent that, if desired, animals restrained in HCRs can be released unharmed. To call HCRs "snares" therefore implies laziness, ignorance or prejudice. More importantly, it makes a ban more likely, and with it a ramping up of the threat to endangered species that arises from removing an effective means of predator control.
Malxwal
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There is no doubt whatsoever that as part of the class war that is integral to SNP supporters, they want all fieldsport banned. As we know, ScatGov consultation is just dictation. Let's sign petitions and protest as best possible, and rely on on our various organizations to try and get this overturned in the interests of not just shooting, but wildlife diversity.
Only quoting what the sga have posted
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Rake Aboot
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Yeh ok .
Won’t stop a ban if you call snares “Animal holiday inns”
Won’t stop a ban if you call snares “Animal holiday inns”
Heym SR20
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I am not a fan of snares, nor am I fan of many of radical views expressed by many of our elected representatives. These days there many much better alternatives - especially on the use of snares.
But this is a publicly viewed forum. Some of the language and terms used about our elected representative is really not helpful.
You will never change the radical views. But you don’t need to, you just need to convince the majority that they shouldn’t support those radical views.
As a community we absolutely need to come across as responsible members of society doing a very valuable job / service etc managing our wildlife, our wild places and ensuring that such places flourish for future generations.
And ensuring that such places have real value and thus are not subject to being exploited for other human activities - wind and solar farms, commercial monoculture forestry, housing, theme parks or indeed wildlife reserves etc etc.
We just need convince the moderate view that on balance of probability fieldsports are one of the better custodians of the land rather than the alternatives.
Unfortunately I now expect a torrent of abuse for making such comments. This will demonstrate my point.
But this is a publicly viewed forum. Some of the language and terms used about our elected representative is really not helpful.
You will never change the radical views. But you don’t need to, you just need to convince the majority that they shouldn’t support those radical views.
As a community we absolutely need to come across as responsible members of society doing a very valuable job / service etc managing our wildlife, our wild places and ensuring that such places flourish for future generations.
And ensuring that such places have real value and thus are not subject to being exploited for other human activities - wind and solar farms, commercial monoculture forestry, housing, theme parks or indeed wildlife reserves etc etc.
We just need convince the moderate view that on balance of probability fieldsports are one of the better custodians of the land rather than the alternatives.
Unfortunately I now expect a torrent of abuse for making such comments. This will demonstrate my point.
Rake Aboot
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You won’t get any abuse from me bud
Bottom line is dog fighting used to be a hobby until public opinion turned against it
Shooting animals for sport will be exactly the same.
Driven bird has been on a shoogly peg for a while now and picking away at it like they did with dog work is just a precursor to banning it.
Bottom line is dog fighting used to be a hobby until public opinion turned against it
Shooting animals for sport will be exactly the same.
Driven bird has been on a shoogly peg for a while now and picking away at it like they did with dog work is just a precursor to banning it.
It’s discrimination against us that’s my issue!! I don’t go into the towns or the city and try preach to them how be more more efficient or greener or how the environment they live in should be run!! On the other hand they are quite happy to vote against my way of life not knowing any of the facts or what needs done to keep our countryside the way it is and should be?? This countryside as we know it is over it will never be the same again that’s fact! Once this single farm payment stops in 2027 you will see a 60% drop in farmers so what will happen to the land I ask? Trees/rewilding that’s what will happen which will have no economic value other than deer ?? which I mist add nature Scot says we have to many anyway and are wanting a mass cull of deer out of season and shooting females when they have dependants but here’s a plan let’s plant more and not manage the ground then there will be more habitat for them to roam in
.Anyway I digress back to the snares or holding device as it needs to be known now,they are a vital tool to the job that’s s fact and it will be a disaster if we can’t use them. In my mind this country should have 2 parliaments ??!! One for the city’s and one for the countryside then we can maybe have a future for out grandchildren ?
Heym SR20
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I agree on the discriminatory bit. I also see both sides of the argument having been brought up in the countryside, worked in Agriculture and wildlife mgmt / safari both in UK and Africa, have a degree in agriculture married to a forester but we live in a city as that is where my place of work is.It’s discrimination against us that’s my issue!! I don’t go into the towns or the city and try preach to them how be more more efficient or greener or how the environment they live in should be run!! On the other hand they are quite happy to vote against my way of life not knowing any of the facts or what needs done to keep our countryside the way it is and should be?? This countryside as we know it is over it will never be the same again that’s fact! Once this single farm payment stops in 2027 you will see a 60% drop in farmers so what will happen to the land I ask? Trees/rewilding that’s what will happen which will have no economic value other than deer ?? which I mist add nature Scot says we have to many anyway and are wanting a mass cull of deer out of season and shooting females when they have dependants but here’s a plan let’s plant more and not manage the ground then there will be more habitat for them to roam in
Trouble with all the single farm payments and rural subsidies is that the money all comes from the taxpayers pockets and the vast majority now live in the cities.
For far too long there has been huge division between countryside and the cities, as for most there is a complete disconnect.
In many ways it’s been a class thing with country side owned - aristocratic land owners owning hige swathes of land, with tenent / yeoman farmers making a meagre living and / labourers, farm managers and other estate workers in tied properties making a pretty basic wage. If you lost your job you lost your home etc.
And when the lord died, the whole lot went to one member of the family. In Scotland we had the clearances where the likes of the Dukes of Sutherland basically got rid of all his tenants and made way for sheep. And in Scotland most of land is still in very large land holdings.
In parts of the country there are many family owned and run farms. And corporates have in many ways taken over from aristocratic management, indeed most aristocratic holdings are now run in a corporate style.
Net result, along with increasing mechanisation of the countryside, is that very few in the cities, and even the vast majority of country dwellers have very little connection to the countryside.
Go to many other parts of the world, even just across to Northern Ireland or France. The land holdings are smaller family farms where a good proportion of population live. Many live on the farm, but work in towns to earn income that subsidises the farm. Go to France, and a large proportion of city dwellers have a direct and immediate family connection back to the land.
Hence there is very direct link between their own elected representatives, government policy and result in the rural areas.
In the UK, each MP represents a roughly equal number of people, but even in rural areas vast proportion of the electorate really have minimal involvement in the countryside. And for many the only involvement is “the get off my land” type view.
Those in the countryside equally taking a very hostile view to townfolk. And they have never worked out ways to bridge that gap. To be honest, when government was pretty much the preserve of the landed gentry, the never needed to, as they simply made the rules to suit themselves.
Ettrick reiver
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It's time all those under the fieldsports banner were given "protected characteristics" Indeed we are fighting against the tide, more so here in Scotland where the landowners are made out to be the villain. One of the recent SNP adverts had a young "person" stating they had "protected the beautiful mountain hare from the greedy landowners"
The recent working dogs legislation is a disgrace and a proper slap in the face to those that have working dogs. I fear more is to come, they will try to only allow professional stalkers to hold firearms any others will have to use rifles held on the Estate Rifle provision.
Ettrick reiver
The recent working dogs legislation is a disgrace and a proper slap in the face to those that have working dogs. I fear more is to come, they will try to only allow professional stalkers to hold firearms any others will have to use rifles held on the Estate Rifle provision.
Ettrick reiver
I would love to be able to agree with you on this point, but, sadly having dealt with various MSP's and their bag carriers in the Civil Service over the last 15 years, the chances of having a logical well balanced discussion and the inclusion of logic and research based compromise seems to get less likely as the years go by.
We are presently led by a group of inept politicians who gave up listening to reason a long time ago, the present first minister is a classic case of agreeing with the last person he talks to in a room and all previous agreements go out the window! Now the Green Party hold sway, there is nothing that will get in the way of their idiotic ideology and the SNP just have to go along with this.
Anyone with a critical brain knows the value of good land management, but sadly a a majority view will never impact on the zealots who are in charge in Holyrood at the moment.
My only hope is that the SNP get a well deserved bloody nose at the next General Election and then, only then, will they accept that other views are relevant.
Heym SR20
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And the thing about hares, both the brown and the mountain variety is that they love nibbling newly planted trees, and they get through deer fences very easily. And lets not also forget squirrels, of both red and grey variety. They are perfectly to climb young trees and eat out the growing shoots.
And yet mountain hares bow protected and the nowt really being done on grey squirrels.
As regards deer, plenty of contractors happy to take the cash to eliminate them. And once they are gone it will take a generation or two to come back.
Conor O'Gorman
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BASC response to the announcement:
basc.org.uk
Click link below to respond to the consultation:
Scottish snaring ban will spell disaster for threatened wildlife, says BASC - BASC
The Scottish government has announced a consultation on the use of snares, risking biodiversity and threatened bird species.
basc.org.uk
Click link below to respond to the consultation:
Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: use of snares and powers of Scottish SPCA inspectors: Consultation - Scottish Government - Citizen Space
Find and participate in consultations run by The Scottish Government
consult.gov.scot
Heym SR20
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Radical Nationalists of any persuasion will never listen. Its why I would never support them whichever ever parliament they sit in. They have irreparable harm to to all parts of the UK, but thankfully I think that the majority of the electorate now feel foolish in supporting them. Or at least enough within each constituency will not support the individuals who represent such views.
I suspect at the next election we will have very divided parliaments with no outright majority. That in my view will be a very good thing, as the only legislation that gets through has to be won by comprehensive argument and sound reasoning to garner enough support.
At the moment with large majorities and lots of aggressive whipping lots of lunatic type policies get through.
Thanks for pointing that out. Though
I'm sorry to see them digging their own grave.
Well, for what it's worth, I've submitted a response to the consultation: pro science, pro defining HCRs as distinct from "snares", pro HCRs for predator control and research, pro certified training; against legacy "snares", against licensing, against powers for the the SPCA; & protesting against the bias within the way the consultation is presented and designed, and against ideology as a basis for prohibitive legislation in any instance.
Oh, and it took all of 20 minutes.
Oh, and it took all of 20 minutes.
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