Who Shoots an XXV shotgun?

WH308

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I’m going to treat myself to a side by side shotgun for my 40th. I’m quite taken with the idea of a 25” light and quick handling game gun of the Robert Churchill high rib style. There are a few tidy AYA and E.J Churchill models on guntrader that I may take a look at.

Does anyone use a XXV?
 
They are usually a bargain at the moment. A lot of gun for the money because they are out of fashion. If they suit your style of shooting I would think go for it.

David.

PS. This advice comes from a dyed in the wool o/u shooter so treat with caution.
 
Have owned and used many over the years.
Different style of shooting required to use properly. If you haven’t already I suggest reading Robert Churchills book Game Shooting.
His style of shooting was based around his guns.
Make sure it fits you properly and stick to light load cartridges no more than 30 grams
For normal game shooting to 40 yards they are perfect.
 
Went down that route when influenced by churchills book on shooting and with no choke and small shot would recommend reading game shooting by Robert Churchill the very man that advocated short barrels and his style of shooting.
Owned a couple of 25 inch barrelled guns but no longer do but was an interesting flirtation and would say it has to be done but buy right otherwise when you sell you will not take a dive.
Plenty of lovely English guns to be had at auction for not that much considering their pedigree and if i was given a Churchill 25 sidelock
I would make myself use it as a wonderment to hold less so to shoot well with.
As covert said the book is a must and total commitment to the style is needed to master and enjoy shooting, will be an interesting journey hope you enjoy👍
 
My Grandfather and Mother both used a Churchill XXV. Both my Grandfather and Robert Churchill were "barrel chested" men and I believe they suit that body shape better than mine - standard tall thin in military terms but I also have very long arms. I have used 30" barrels in s/s for all of my life and found shooting a XXV less intuitive but I do believe in the Churchill method of shooting in both "natural pointing" and "muscle memory". The advice above about using lighter loads is good if firing a lot of cartridges in one day. Churchill also believed in putting one's left hand as far out as comfortable reducing any error in the last hand to a minimum at the muzzle.
Go for it and try it - you may find it natural and comfortable, especially if you do a lot of driven partridge shooting for which there is no doubt they are the ideal gun.
 
I know a man who shoots very well with a pair of Churchill XXVs. Probably the best shot I know. He is tall and thin but is also an exceptional sportsman generally, very good at most ball games and I suspect his coordination is a massive help.
 
Many years ago I bought an AYA 25-inch 12-bore. It was a lovely little gun to look at but I never got on with it having always been used to 28 or thirty inch barrels. I eventually moved it on with no regrets.

I'm sure some will be quite happy with 25-inch barrels but if you have been used to longer tubes I would suggest you try 25-inch before finally deciding.
 
I love using mine. I had some lessons at holland & holland when i was given an XXV because they had an offer on at the time. That really helped as i found it very different to my beretta.

Once i got the hang of ‘pushing’ the barrels (as they don’t have the weight to swing themselves) it was great. Its a great gun for what i do- walked up or pigeon shooting and i’ve used it on grouse a couple of times and it was a pleasure to use.

I’m 18st and 6’ 3” so tall but not thin. But not sure I’m barrel chested either. I did read churchill’s book and some parts of that did help- the straight left hand up the barrels helps. As does a leather hand guard. The fact that I’ve used my o/u once since i was given the xxv in 2017 is testimony to how much i enjoy using the short, light gun. And it’s preeettty.
 
No but the late Mr Hall of Hales estate did and he missed nothing. I use to clean it for him at the end of the day. Very well made gun.
 
One of my shotguns (not a sbs) has 24.5” barrels and was used as a rough shooting gun, specifically when ferreting as you could hit bolting rabbits fairly close without totally mincing the animal.

Only issue is when the range goes out, as with true cylinder choking (or not) the shot density is quite low, so not ideal for high flying geese!!
 
Should have mentioned earlier shoot a Remington wingmaster 410 now and again with a 25 inch barrel but due to action length handles like a 30 inch gun so does not count🙂
 
Thanks all for the replies. I am hoping the posty has delivered a copy of Robert Churchills, Game Shooting when I get home, so fully intend to read up on the style before taking the plunge.
 
I had a E J Churchill on loan for a season and don't know why I changed to a poking shooter, went back to 30 and returned to normal missing 79% instead of 82% 🤣

Lovely guns not suited to wildfowling though
 
Thanks all for the replies. I am hoping the posty has delivered a copy of Robert Churchills, Game Shooting when I get home, so fully intend to read up on the style before taking the plunge.
a fascinating work and mr Churchill very convincing and a great salesman one or two modern day game shooters also adopted or improvised a certain style of shooting which he advocated.
Best not forget Robert Churchill shot a lot and very much emulated by sir Joseph Nickerson in discipline and mounting, he also made a sbs .22 which he used to prove a theory, enjoy the read.👍
 
I have an Alex Martin sidelock fitted with a pair of 30” barrels and a pair of 25” ribless barrels. I love shooting with the 25” - its very instinctive and fast pointing. About as far as you can get from a 30” tall phaesant/ clay focused over and under.

Trying to take a precise smooth aim is impossible. Instead its watch the bird and fire as butt hits the shoulder.

Gun fit is important
 
My mate has had a xxv aya for many years he is a demon on evening widgeon flights and pigeon i shoot a 26in barrel cogswell sidelock trick with any shotgun is to have it fitted
 
Does anyone use a XXV?
"Eh? What? Pardon? I didn't quite hear you. Give me a minute to tune in my hearing aid. I'm deaf in the left ear you know."

That'll be your conversation starter in latter years if you do and don't wear hearing protection. My brother said that when he accompanied my father to Woburn or Kedleston in the late 1960s you could tell the longtime XXV and Brevis and etc. users as they were the ones twiddling the wheels on their hearing aids at lunch. Fast handling is all about the balance of the gun. I once tried a friend's twenty-eight inch barrel Purdey that seemed almost "alive" it handled so well.

So my advice is buy it, try it, enjoy it. But it may, or may not suit you. Also try a better quality "run of the mill" lighter weight longer, twenty eight inch, continental 70 centimetre or twenty seven inch, barrel side by side or even a longer barrel side by side in 16 or 20. It may just also handle as well for you?

My own "grail" that I never did achieve was a Powell or Lancaster 12/20. I handled a few when Peter and David Powell still owned the business and it was at Carr's Lane but did later scratch the Boss "itch" until I sold it after three seasons or so. You are a long time dead and if you can afford it then, as said, try it.

If you want a cheap but well made gun with a high rib in a side by side? An AYA Yeoman or Yeoman Ejector. They came with a high rib (not a Churchill style but a high rib nevertheless) as standard. If the OP is near Leicester I've a Yeoman Ejector he could borrow to try at Normanton SG the west side of Leicester.

Holland's Brevis is pretty much copied by the AYA twenty-six inch barrel No2 and of course there is a twenty six inch barrel AYA No4.
 
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