Ineos Grenadier - I have finally had a good look at one.

Heym SR20

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It’s been several months but a neighbours son parked one outside. And I have had a good look. First impressions

1) its built like a tank or a tractor. The underpinnings, suspension links are huge. They would look out of place on a big military or Agricultural vehicle. You could mount a 3 point linkage on the rear axle and go ploughing with it.

2) interior is kind of small. Better than the old Defender but not a lot. As a skinny 6 ft tall person I am still sitting next to the door pillar and foot well is cramped. Indeed it all feels a it cramped. Not as bad as the old Landrover but not nearly as good as most SUVs etc. And if I was any taller or larger I suspect its not the sort of place you would want to spend any real time.

Yet it takes up a lot of real estate on the road.

They have exaggerated the Defenders old waist line bringing the sides quite a long way. And the wheels still stick beyond the sides of the vehicle. They could have it quite a bit more room inside which would make it much more usable as a living / workspace.

3) Spare tire, rear door etc. This will be a pain in the arse to live with. Opening a little door and then having to swing open a big door will just get awkward. And most won’t be able to lift that spare on and off the vehicle. A spare below that can be wound down, slid and rolled round to where its needed would have been a much better option. Then have a split horizontal tail gate like a Range Rover.

4) its mpg is better than his old Defender but only just. Its an expensive car to run.

My conclusion

It is vastly over engineered for the majority of users. This comes with a big penalty in the wallet for initial cost but then also on fuel bills etc.

It’s price point and fit out is too high for commercial users. It will make a good base for putting a crane / lifting platform etc. for utilities. But then so does the 4x4 sprinter.

With a new landcruiser 70 series just being released it will have stiff competition from military, aid agencies etc certainly overseas, and I think the new one will meet emissions regs and we will see it in the UK. The Grenadier will be good in this market but price is a big big factor.

The Grenadier will be good for wealthy enthusiasts who want an up to date Defender to park outside or to use over landing. With coil springs possibly a better ride than land cruiser.

Overall somewhat disappointing
 
A friend of mine test drove one last week. He has had lots of 4x4's inc pickups, disco and range rovers. He does a lot of towing between his site projects and a lot of woodland stalking and game shooting. His main issue was the vague steering. He didn't enjoy that and whilst probably ok off road thought it was almost dangerous on road at speed. Also felt the fit and finish plus materials made it feel cheap inside. A neighbour here has one, looks the part but! My friend will go latest LR defender.
 
I passed one when driving up the M6 to collect the eldest from Uni. It had massive road presence but I too formed the opinion that the driver (not a large man by the looks of him) looked sort of ‘scrunched’ in. I too would be giving the new Toyota Land Cruiser a good look if I were in the market for this type of SUV.
 
I passed one when driving up the M6 to collect the eldest from Uni. It had massive road presence but I too formed the opinion that the driver (not a large man by the looks of him) looked sort of ‘scrunched’ in. I too would be giving the new Toyota Land Cruiser a good look if I were in the market for this type of SUV.
Some of the new Defenders do look rather nice and fit for purpose with the right tyres. I saw one the other day in pale green with matching alloy wheels that turned my head.

Of course the BIG question remains how reliable they are, and particularly so given the electronics that no doubt require a NASA-trained Technician to interrogate and repair. Apparently The AA don’t mess about when one breaks down and simply summon a tow truck!

Food for thought.

K
 
At 6’2“ I had to say I struggled with the drivers position, especially the footwell.
Electronics wise, they deliberately reduced the amount of computers and use about half the amount of a modern car, so I would hope it is more reliable.

not driven one, but, yeah, even if I had the money not sure I would be able to live with it.
 
My mate has just bought one, the Fieldmaster version. I have been in it a few times and probably done over a hundred miles in it. I have been very impressed with it. It is everything you think it will be, plus a bit more. It is quiet and comfortable and has plenty of go in it. His previous vehicle was a 2016 Land Rover Discovery 3.0 diesel. The Grenadier is a much better vehicle than the Discovery. I do agree with Heym SR20 on a few points. It was £74,000 to buy, and that is an awful lot of money. It is well over engineered. However, a new Land Rover is much more money than that. Being over engineered it should be very durable, hence retain its value into the future. My mate ( and I ) are not disappointed with it. When he origionally ordered and paid for the car it was £74,000, but he has been offered £84,000 cash for it now. He has turned it down. Its a keeper.
 
Regarding the comments, fitting a spare tire under the vehicle is out of the question if Grenadier is marketed / meant for off-road. Also the outer vs. inner dimensions debate might have something to do with suspension travel and ability to fit larger tires. And you just cannot compare live axles to independent suspension (and no suspension travel) in today's SUVs.

Vague steering in new vehicle does sound scary. Then again I don't know what was the comparison. But I wouldn't class e.g. G Wagen as "vague" and it's a 40+ year old design. Something 30y old like Jeep ZJ is actually very good when everything is tidy.
 
Nah. Not large at all - all about perspective, eye of the beholder etc…
This Ineos is near, that Jimny is err, far…..
My old pal will be along in a minute - he loves his!
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The rear ground clearance looked so compromised in that pic that I had to browse through some pics. Quite frankly, Grenadier doesn't scream out loud "offroad vehicle". Maybe "overland vehicle", but still the compromises done at rear end seem strange? Or maybe there's similar clearance compromises throughout the whole underneath? "Actual ground clearance" just isn't same as "lowest part underneath the car"...
 
This Ineos is near, that Jimny is err, far…..
I know which one I`d rather be in for a decent trek on The Old Telegraph Track in FNQ Aus.
Just looking at the heights shows the jim drivers head be under water when crossing the Cape York rivers compared to the other IG`s lol.

I do like the huge rear door opening for the 14pt Imperial to fit in.
 
I had a look at one on a shoot last week, I thought it looked like it had been put together with parts from the spares bin, they do appear to have retained the cramped interior of the original defender though
 
I’ve come to the conclusion there are two viable high value options.
New 70 series land cruiser, or g wagon.

Liking the g wagon mil spec personally, but would want compressors on each wheel, centrally managed to avoid manual de-in-flation
 

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Had one for a couple of days earlier this year as a test drive, couldn’t give it back fast enough, makes £100k for new Deafener feel like a bargain …
 
Mate in the next village has one, he has been a landrover enthusiast for decades and was very excited about the grenadier. He has had it a month now and is currently fighting to get a refund as it is more unreliable than any vehicle he has ever had and constantly in limp mode due to various faults.
 
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