Pard Ds35 or the pulsar c50

[Pellet Pinger]

So my reason for asking is....,
I have a pard 008 which I was/am sharing between a 22lr and a 204 but getting fed up of re-zeroing and faffing about.

I'm tempted to permanently home the 008 on the 22lr for rats and rabbits etc. so the question then is which is the best option for foxing on a 204, max distance 250m biased towards dark rather than daytime use?

Anyone want to do me a deal in px for my Swarovski bins for sale on this forum?

I did exactly this, i had a 008 permanently on my .223 and swapped another between 22lr and HMR.
Ive had the C50 bolted to the .223 for the last 18 months and its been fautless, foxing and last legal light in colour for Muntjac, ive used the Alpex and Pard DS and i wouldnt swap either of them for my C50.
Having said that, all of them will do the job and the Alpex for £550 is a great price.

 

[the prowler]

Just go thermal.

 

[the prowler]

Alpex t50 £550 at blackwood outdoors

 

[Night òwl]

C50 without doubt , quality wise its just a better unit .
Tried them both for 24hours before I purchased and the C50 won , especially for last light capabilities
There is a reason other units what are trying to compete are cheaper or have price drops

 

[mealiejimmy]

Thank you Bruce for those pointers, and an interesting slant going the opposite way to what I was thinking.

So what WOULD be a good significant step up from a 008 running on a 204?
Budget isn't unlimited but I'd rather spend more if necessary than end up with two units of similar abilities. A range of 250 was only put out there as a maximum for discussion, most shots would be around the100 to 200m mark.

The 008 has a higher base magnification than most digital day/night scope on the market.
The only one that has higher base magnification is the PARD DS35-70
It also depends what you mean by a "significant step up"
Image detail depends on lens focal length and pixel size with smaller pixels and longer the focal length lenses giving more detailed images
Low light performance depends on pixel size and lens aperture with larger pixels and "faster" lenses (lower f number) giving better performance in low light conditions
On a 204 at the ranges you quote, a scope with a rangefinder and ballistic calculator are not needed, and given it's recent price reduction the Alpex A50T-S would arguably be the best "bang for your buck"

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Will the chippy]

The 008 has a higher base magnification than most digital day/night scope on the market.
The only one that has higher base magnification is the PARD DS35-70
It also depends what you mean by a "significant step up"
Image detail depends on lens focal length and pixel size with smaller pixels and longer the focal length lenses giving more detailed images
Low light performance depends on pixel size and lens aperture with larger pixels and "faster" lenses (lower f number) giving better performance in low light conditions
On a 204 at the ranges you quote, a scope with a rangefinder and ballistic calculator are not needed, and given it's recent price reduction the Alpex A50T-S would arguably be the best "bang for your buck"

Cheers

Bruce

Have you had chance to look at the new infiray td70l?

 

[mealiejimmy]

No, but it's base magnification is lower than the PARD 008 and DS35-70
Having said that I would like to test one since IRay seem to have broken the Pulsar/HIK dictum of "thou shalt not have any objective lenses bigger than 50mm"

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Will the chippy]

How do the new ATn scopes compare? Think fieldsports TV were surprised by there image quality as there hardly ever mentioned now.

 

[mealiejimmy]

Rule 1 of NV/thermal - never buy anything made by ATN

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Will the chippy]

I'll cross them off the list then. Cheers bruce

 

[eldon]

The 008 has a higher base magnification than most digital day/night scope on the market.
The only one that has higher base magnification is the PARD DS35-70
It also depends what you mean by a "significant step up"
Image detail depends on lens focal length and pixel size with smaller pixels and longer the focal length lenses giving more detailed images
Low light performance depends on pixel size and lens aperture with larger pixels and "faster" lenses (lower f number) giving better performance in low light conditions
On a 204 at the ranges you quote, a scope with a rangefinder and ballistic calculator are not needed, and given it's recent price reduction the Alpex A50T-S would arguably be the best "bang for your buck"

Cheers

Bruce

Thanks again

 

[mchughcb]

Any more updates (sorry, pun intended) or info on this thread topic?

Today I took my Pard DS35-70 to the range. I originally set this up at 100m for all my calibres except 22LR and put the details into the ballistic calculator for further distances. However today I decided that I would zero at 200m for the 30-06 and I ran out of vertical elevation. I also had this problem at 50m using subsonics on the 22LR. Just be careful, as nice as it is to have the reticle in the middle of the scope like a normal optical, you run out of elevation adjustment quickly.

 

[Rob22]

I have a C50 on my 223 and DS35 on my FAC air.....

The C50 has a better battery life, superior image quality and the App is much smoother.

It is a lot bigger than DS35 and more expensive.

For me the C50 is ideal up to 250 meters and DS35 up to 120 meters.

Using a better IR it improves usable range but makes both units bulkier.

The Ballistic Calculator is good on DS35 once it is set up properly - ideal for air rifle.

Pictures for size comparison

 

[keeper]

I've been using the c50 WiFi model since the First day it was released, I could buy any number of nv for my pest control company and do have loads of others cupboard bound. I get to try or demo loads of kit and nothing tops the c50 all round. If it did I would be using it.
The low light capabilities is out standing.

I have never had to re zero it yet !! And I can't say that about any glass yet.

The pulsar platform is second to none.

I have been using the thermion duo xp55 its nice but doesn't compare to my thermion 2 xp 50 Pro and it should be the same!!!!!

the low light mode on the c50 is better by far.

I do hope pulsar releases a thermal night vision scope.

 

[Liveonce]

I'll cross them off the list then. Cheers bruce

Bruce had a bad experience when ATN first appeared in the U.K. and that has tarnished his opinion of them ever since, by contrast I have been using the ATN 4k pro since they first come out and still am was out yesterday night with it and can see no reason to change. ATN have a u.k. manufacturing and repair facilities.

ATNUK are SD members

ATN Retailers UK - what would you like to see

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[Will the chippy]

Bruce had a bad experience when ATN first appeared in the U.K. and that has tarnished his opinion of them ever since, by contrast I have been using the ATN 4k pro since they first come out and still am was out yesterday night with it and can see no reason to change. ATN have a u.k. manufacturing and repair facilities.

ATNUK are SD members

ATN Retailers UK - what would you like to see

Dear SD community, ATN features in a selection of strategic retailers across the UK, and of course we have our offices in Hereford for servicing and repairs, distribution, etc. However, we would like to ask the SD forum if there are any particular retailers in your local areas where you would...

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

I've seen that and whoever is running it seems keen to hear what people say. It sounds positive. It's a shame they had too many software issues early on which hurt the brand so much. From what I've heard when running right they hold there own image wise against most of the big names, it just the niggle wether you get a good one or not.

 

[Night òwl]

Bruce had a bad experience when ATN first appeared in the U.K. and that has tarnished his opinion of them ever since, by contrast I have been using the ATN 4k pro since they first come out and still am was out yesterday night with it and can see no reason to change. ATN have a u.k. manufacturing and repair facilities.

ATNUK are SD members

ATN Retailers UK - what would you like to see

Dear SD community, ATN features in a selection of strategic retailers across the UK, and of course we have our offices in Hereford for servicing and repairs, distribution, etc. However, we would like to ask the SD forum if there are any particular retailers in your local areas where you would...

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

I agree , I have used a 4k Pro on one of my cf,s for many years and it's been absolutely superb with a good laser IR

 

[RH Somerset]

Ive got a couple of questions about the Hik Alpex:

1. What is the mag? I’ve seen it advertised as 3.5 - 14 and also 3 - 12.

2. Is it usable on max mag? I.e fox at 200yards

3. If the battery is internal does that mean you need to leave the rifle out of the cabinet over night to charge?

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[mealiejimmy]

Ive got a couple of questions about the Hik Alpex:

1. What is the mag? I’ve seen it advertised as 3.5 - 14 and also 3 - 12.

2. Is it usable on max mag? I.e fox at 200yards

3. If the battery is internal does that mean you need to leave the rifle out of the cabinet over night to charge?

Thanks in advance for any help.

1. I've measured the base mag and it's x3.5, but most people would struggle to tell the difference between x3 and x3.5
2. The image at maximum magnification (x14) is quite pixellated but a fox at 200 yards is perfectly doable
3. You put the rifle (with the scope fitted) in the cabinet and connect the scope to a powerbank (20000mah would be good) via the USB connector. The internal battery gets charged from the powerbank so the next time you take the rifle out, the battery is fully charged and you put the powerbank on charge ready to charge up the scope when you come home - simples

Cheers

Bruce

 

[RH Somerset]

1. I've measured the base mag and it's x3.5, but most people would struggle to tell the difference between x3 and x3.5
2. The image at maximum magnification (x14) is quite pixellated but a fox at 200 yards is perfectly doable
3. You put the rifle (with the scope fitted) in the cabinet and connect the scope to a powerbank (20000mah would be good) via the USB connector. The internal battery gets charged from the powerbank so the next time you take the rifle out, the battery is fully charged and you put the powerbank on charge ready to charge up the scope when you come home - simples

Cheers

Bruce

Thanks Bruce, that is great information.