CIC - Chinese Water Deer Evaluation - Revised System 2023

[Pine Marten]

I'm glad I managed to scrape over this line with this "old rules" silver I've just put up. The gold one would still count though.



I'm done with CWD trophies. They're both there purely by chance anyway. Next time I could do without having a head to clean, it's not really a fun task! The venison is the real prize in these.

 

[Roebuck270]

Tusks are removed from the skull for evaluation. Young animals will have open roots; mature animals will have closed roots like these:View attachment 330348

I’m told if you can fit a paper clip in the end it won’t be measured, now is that the whole paper clip or the wire of the paper clip ?

 

[terrier1]

I hope land owners that have cwd realise how quickly they can breed, if they stay as an expensive trophy animal I reckon they may go the same way muntjac have. Thousands of the little blighters.

Like all deer the best way to keep the population down is to cull female CWD.

 

[Sol]

Aren't CWD incredibly limited on when it comes to environment? Unless they have the right conditions its a very slow spread as far as I'm aware?

 

[chinky]

All Change
CWD Measurement Revision 2023​

A revised formula and new scoring levels for the evaluation of Chinese Water Deer has been approved by the International Trophy Evaluation Board of the CIC at its 2023 meeting. This will be implemented from 1 November 2023, the beginning of the new Chinese Water Deer season.

Long established in Eastern England, British Chinese Water Deer now account for a significant percentage of the world total and represent a genetic variation sadly now long extinct over its native range.

In the UK the Chinese Water Deer has become increasing popular with home based and visiting stalkers. However, the current formula has increasingly produced a surplus of gold medals, particularly amongst juveniles, in direct contradiction to all the other CIC formulas which are designed to favour mature animals above immature specimens.

The new formula retains the key parameters from the original, with tusks being measured for length and circumference. Three additional scoring parameters will now be applied however, with points being awarded for elements which are indicators of maturity. These are:

a. Thickening and calcification of the tusk roots,
b. Presence of the incisal nerve in each tusk, and
c. An addition for both tusk roots being fully closed.

There will no longer be a deduction applied for differences between tusk lengths and circumferences. Juvenile bucks, those with with hollow tusks/open roots, will no longer be eligible for evaluation.

With the increase in available points, the score levels have been increased to Bronze 220, Silver 250 and Gold 280.

CIC UKTEB
26 Sep 23

No Gold medals this year then that’s for sure

 

[Sol]

No Gold medals this year then that’s for sure

The entire scoring system has changed for them the biggest on the current system is 274 but I reckon the ones that are 250+ will still be new golds

Changing them to 280 with no additional updates would mean there would never be a single gold CWD they've thought ahead for the three extra parameters to be a fair few points counted onto the score

Wonder if @cicuk happens to have the new scoresheet?

 

[chinky]

The entire scoring system has changed for them the biggest on the current system is 274 but I reckon the ones that are 250+ will still be new golds

Changing them to 280 with no additional updates would mean there would never be a single gold CWD they've thought ahead for the three extra parameters to be a fair few points counted onto the score

Wonder if @cicuk happens to have the new scoresheet?

274 270 270 after that 260 and downwards on cic website
Now got to solid in gum section for mature bucks, should be 260 gold 250 silver 220 bronze more achievable animals
No one will achieve gold this year or many more to come they still need to culled
I bet cost for silver will go up to old gold by outfitters

 

[wildfowler.250]

I’d have thought it would make more sense to put a higher bonuses/points towards older animals,(maybe bumping up the scores accordingly) rather than completely chalking off younger animals would make more sense.

I’m sure guides will have a right headache over this but I do think older class of animals should be the aim.

 

[Sol]

274 270 270 after that 260 and downwards on cic website
Now got to solid in gum section for mature bucks, should be 260 gold 250 silver 220 bronze more achievable animals
No one will achieve gold this year or many more to come they still need to culled
I bet cost for silver will go up to old gold by outfitters

There will still be golds I think people are missing some context in the thread

"The new formula retains the key parameters from the original, with tusks being measured for length and circumference. Three additional scoring parameters will now be applied however, with points being awarded for elements which are indicators of maturity. These are: Tusk roots, Nerve, Closed tooth
also this:
"There will no longer be a deduction applied for differences between tusk lengths and circumferences."

Whilst there's gold medal has been raised from 210 to 280 there's also four additional additions/changes to increase the overall score of the animal, We dont know exactly how many points each will give however given the massive jump I think its reasonable to assume most 250 bucks will be 280 on the new system at least.

If were going off other CIC about 10-15% animals submitted should be medal currently I think cwd... blimey must be in the 50-60% range.

 

[tiny tim]

I think it's a great idea personally.......finally a gold means something. Just waiting to see a score sheet so I can work outthe three new scoring parameters...

 

[mudman]

It will mean the guides will see a big reduction in income…..a lot less medals