CIC - Chinese Water Deer Evaluation - Revised System 2023

[cicuk]

All Change
CWD Measurement Revision 2023​

A revised formula and new scoring levels for the evaluation of Chinese Water Deer has been approved by the International Trophy Evaluation Board of the CIC at its 2023 meeting. This will be implemented from 1 November 2023, the beginning of the new Chinese Water Deer season.

Long established in Eastern England, British Chinese Water Deer now account for a significant percentage of the world total and represent a genetic variation sadly now long extinct over its native range.

In the UK the Chinese Water Deer has become increasing popular with home based and visiting stalkers. However, the current formula has increasingly produced a surplus of gold medals, particularly amongst juveniles, in direct contradiction to all the other CIC formulas which are designed to favour mature animals above immature specimens.

The new formula retains the key parameters from the original, with tusks being measured for length and circumference. Three additional scoring parameters will now be applied however, with points being awarded for elements which are indicators of maturity. These are:

a. Thickening and calcification of the tusk roots,
b. Presence of the incisal nerve in each tusk, and
c. An addition for both tusk roots being fully closed.

There will no longer be a deduction applied for differences between tusk lengths and circumferences. Juvenile bucks, those with with hollow tusks/open roots, will no longer be eligible for evaluation.

With the increase in available points, the score levels have been increased to Bronze 220, Silver 250 and Gold 280.

CIC UKTEB
26 Sep 23

 

[gixer1]

What does it mean by tusk roots being fully enclosed?? Last CWD I had measured I simply took the tusks along…do they now need to remain in the skull?

 

[nun_hunter]

The root of a tooth will become solid and enclosed in a mature animal (looking fairly similar to the exposed part) Vs a hollow open tube in an imature one

 

[cicuk]

What does it mean by tusk roots being fully enclosed?? Last CWD I had measured I simply took the tusks along…do they now need to remain in the skull?

Tusks are removed from the skull for evaluation. Young animals will have open roots; mature animals will have closed roots like these:

 

[gixer1]

Thanks, so can open rooted tusks still be measured and will be marked down or will they not be measured?

 

[cicuk]

The key statement here is "Juvenile bucks, those with with hollow tusks/open roots, will no longer be eligible for evaluation." So, if you shoot an animal with open roots, these changes mean that it will not be measured.

TDW

 

[Sol]

I imagine this animal is now considered nullified since the root isn't fully closed. (although I admit, borderline almost mature enough I think)

 

[Tim.243]

I imagine this animal is now considered nullified since the root isn't fully closed. (although I admit, borderline almost mature enough I think)
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They are not working hands...are you shuffling paper clips all day

 

[nun_hunter]

The key statement here is "Juvenile bucks, those with with hollow tusks/open roots, will no longer be eligible for evaluation." So, if you shoot an animal with open roots, these changes mean that it will not be measured.

TDW

Which is going to bring on the pains when trying to shoot a medal buck. You'll be looking for the Worzel Gummage looking bucks and not those with big shiny Turkey implants

 

[FISH BOY]

So if I’m reading this right, even to make a bronze would have to have infused roots to be considered for measurement?

Jeez - tough gig if that’s the case for the guides that charge by the class.

 

[Morkai]

The CWD I shot had hollow tusks, had to fill them with modelling clay after boiling as they were quite soft, then glued them into the skull.

Nowhere near a medal but looks good on display.

 

[Sol]

They are not working hands...are you shuffling paper clips all day

Haha young women, not been doing anything field sports for very long.

 

[Tim.243]

Haha young women, not been doing anything field sports for very long.

 

[NoIDeer]

I hope land owners that have cwd realise how quickly they can breed, if they stay as an expensive trophy animal I reckon they may go the same way muntjac have. Thousands of the little blighters.

 

[stalker.308]

It’s an understandable change, as the statement is basically acknowledging it’s too easy to achieve a bronze and silver by shooting immature animals, which is not what measuring is all about.

With many areas producing animals at gold standard within 2 years, you cannot help but think in the new format there will no longer be bronzes (ineligible to measure if roots are not closed, which they will not be) and possibly the same with many/most silvers (open roots).

The answer is surely to keep the open root rule but make the standard to achieve a gold much higher, silver becomes what is currently a mid gold and bronze mops up mature silvers and low low golds.

 

[tiny tim]

Can you provide a score sheet so we can see the new critera. Thanks.

 

[cicuk]

I imagine this animal is now considered nullified since the root isn't fully closed. (although I admit, borderline almost mature enough I think)
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[cicuk]

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[cicuk]

So if I’m reading this right, even to make a bronze would have to have infused roots to be considered for measurement?

Jeez - tough gig if that’s the case for the guides that charge by the class.

What you have shown would be measurable as it comes under the definition of an adult animal. If the tusk was open completely, as in this picture, it would not.

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[cicuk]

I imagine this animal is now considered nullified since the root isn't fully closed. (although I admit, borderline almost mature enough I think)
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See my response to Fish Boy. My comments should have referred to your photo!!