Bavarianbrit
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In Sweden they plugged their ICE vehicles into the mains when they could to get the coolant up to temp before starting off, they told me it vastly improved the MPG mileage.
Leccy cars.
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Dunwaters
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They also have an app that allows them to turn on the car heater remotely.
MattJ
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In Canada, where temperatures of -40C and below are not uncommon in winter, they plug their ICE vehicles into the mains to keep the oil warm enough to allow the engine to turn over.
Not sure about the competency of the civil service and public sector, but otherwise Norway has been EV friendly for decades.
However the green politics have major failings when it comes to cost and effiency.
It has been an old fashioned winter here in Oslo. Temperatures of -10- -20C and several heavy snowfalls (the latest today around 50cm of snow)
The electric buses dont like the "extreme" cold and have less range, need charging more often.
Same with the health sector where the council has specified that all of their fleet shall be EV's. District nurses in the media complaining that they spend more time queing to charge/charging EV than time with patients.
Same deal with taxis, EV only in Oslo. And although there are plentiful charging points it doesnt help much if there is a queue to use them....
Mostly OK although range suffers.
No, no, no. You must be wrong..Someone in Scotland keeps telling us that EVs don't have these problems. Although, he'd obviously have to be very much richer than the average UK person to afford one.
This is the secret.
I have a little VW EUP that I share with the missus.
She gets it summertime and I have it in winter.
She has several steepish hills to get to work so tdi Yeti 4WD makes more sense.
I love the EUP, in summer/autumn fully charged it will do 257km, winter 135. Seen as we both work less than 15mins from home it makes for cheap motoring.
It is also great fun to drive, like a gokart, reminds me of my old mini.
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You mean a death trap which slowly grinds to a halt at the first sign of bad weather?
I loved my old mini, but it's a sad thing when 2020 technology is comparable to 1960 technology but with one quarter of the range.
I was thinking more of the handling and the fun I had driving it........
Smellydog
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So I was right. You guys have a real car for winter
countrryboy
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How do EV cars handle with traction in winter?
Last big snow we had last year a polis man was out shifting a crashed motor and saying how glad he had a normal polis car with him that day as the EV just sit and spin in snow, to much torque.
Heard the same from an FC Forester who wouldn't follow my van down a forest track, to be fair the track was a wee bit steep and mossy, but said the same wheels just spin.
I will add not just an EV problem, I had 2 combi vans in past 1 was absolutely brilliant ( 1.7 diesel) in snow yet the newer 1.3 was absolutely murder just spun out on anything.
Also I seen hertz in America are selling off 2000 EV motors as no demand for them
I also seen a clip from oz version of top gear were they drove 2 7 series bmws from Melbourne to sydney, took an extra 3 hours ( whi h isnae bad considering distance) and it cost more too
Last big snow we had last year a polis man was out shifting a crashed motor and saying how glad he had a normal polis car with him that day as the EV just sit and spin in snow, to much torque.
Heard the same from an FC Forester who wouldn't follow my van down a forest track, to be fair the track was a wee bit steep and mossy, but said the same wheels just spin.
I will add not just an EV problem, I had 2 combi vans in past 1 was absolutely brilliant ( 1.7 diesel) in snow yet the newer 1.3 was absolutely murder just spun out on anything.
Also I seen hertz in America are selling off 2000 EV motors as no demand for them
I also seen a clip from oz version of top gear were they drove 2 7 series bmws from Melbourne to sydney, took an extra 3 hours ( whi h isnae bad considering distance) and it cost more too
And for longer journeys…..So I was right. You guys have a real car for winter
sikamalc
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One only has to look at the current weather in Chicago, USA, to see the real problems EV owners are having with their Electric cars. Its chaotic, most have given up working or are taking twice as long to charge, when they find a charging point that works.
I wonder how many will be giving their EV back, and turning back to diesel and petrol?
With the current harsh conditions in Scotland, we are not hearing much about the success of EV in the recent freezing conditions. I wonder why?
I wonder how many will be giving their EV back, and turning back to diesel and petrol?
With the current harsh conditions in Scotland, we are not hearing much about the success of EV in the recent freezing conditions. I wonder why?
HonestJohn
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Personally hate the things, everything around them is false economy, down to pollution due to battery production and recycling. All just a money making exercise including the ULEZ zones. Look at where 80% of global pollution stems from and start working on that, the rural and urban commuters are not the big issue, but they are the easy targets. Where is the government on enhancing public transport infrastructure and building dedicated bicycle paths on all main roads, incentives for employers AND employees by promoting bike to work schemes
Plus, when AI tries to eradicate the human race, EV’s will become an easy way to kill drivers, run into pedestrians etc., set themselves on fire whilst parked inside and so on.
Yes, I think people will turn away from EV’s, and we will go back to lead ammunition
On that note. Need to check my lottery ticket from last night..
Plus, when AI tries to eradicate the human race, EV’s will become an easy way to kill drivers, run into pedestrians etc., set themselves on fire whilst parked inside and so on.
Yes, I think people will turn away from EV’s, and we will go back to lead ammunition
On that note. Need to check my lottery ticket from last night..
tackb
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bikes are not the answer either , we had a 3m wide bike path put in near me a few of years ago , in the last three years i have seen 3 cyclists on it , 3! and 2 cyclists using the road next to it because they are just ******s. yet the traffic is stationary day and night and desperatley needs another lane approaching that roundabout to ease congestion
A few months ago the SMMT were telling us all how EV sales were driving the growth in the second-hand car market:
www.smmt.co.uk
What they didn't say was how much EV's were plummeting in value compared to ICE powered vehicles:
www.fleetnews.co.uk
"Among fuel types, the average cost of a used electric vehicle (EV) was down 22.7% to £29,718 – continuing the trend of much larger falls than petrol (down 3.8% to £15,482 year-on-year) and diesel (falling 2.2% to £15,371)."
Used car market electrifying as EV sales soar in second quarter - SMMT
UK used car market grows 4.1% in Q2 2023, with more than 1.8 million units changing hands. Sales of used battery electric vehicles (BEVs) soar by 81.8%, accounting for record 1.7% market...
www.smmt.co.uk
What they didn't say was how much EV's were plummeting in value compared to ICE powered vehicles:
December marks fourth consecutive month of decline for used car prices
Retail used vehicle values fell by 5.6% on a year-on-year and like-for-like basis last month to £17,064, according to Auto Trader’s Retail Price Index.
www.fleetnews.co.uk
"Among fuel types, the average cost of a used electric vehicle (EV) was down 22.7% to £29,718 – continuing the trend of much larger falls than petrol (down 3.8% to £15,482 year-on-year) and diesel (falling 2.2% to £15,371)."
Heym SR20
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Most people use cars for pretty short journeys. 10,000 miles a year is on average 30 miles a day.
With a range of 150 miles you are recharging about twice a week. If you are fortunate enough to have space for some solar panels, you can provide a lot of the power yourself. Electric battery technology is improving by the day.
The bit that really irritates most non electric drivers is that EVs are heavily subsidised whilst we pay huge amounts of tax on our fuel and on road tax.
And most city dwellers, self included have no means of recharging from our domestic electric supply.
However if you live where you can have your own generation capacity and needing a vehicle for daily errands then why not.
If you are like me, where my car is mostly used for long journeys and I need to tow then a VW Touareg is a perfect option.
With a range of 150 miles you are recharging about twice a week. If you are fortunate enough to have space for some solar panels, you can provide a lot of the power yourself. Electric battery technology is improving by the day.
The bit that really irritates most non electric drivers is that EVs are heavily subsidised whilst we pay huge amounts of tax on our fuel and on road tax.
And most city dwellers, self included have no means of recharging from our domestic electric supply.
However if you live where you can have your own generation capacity and needing a vehicle for daily errands then why not.
If you are like me, where my car is mostly used for long journeys and I need to tow then a VW Touareg is a perfect option.
