All true bar a few low ground exceptions which are examples of excellence both in habitat and objectives coupled with deep pockets.
Horses for courses as they say.
Horses for courses as they say.
Nickb
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A full team.
baguio
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Yes I have so I know as a fact that you're making stuff up. Don't let that bother you though. You're in good company on here. What do you think the big shoots like, Sandringham, Windsor or Holkham do? They employ a team of keepers who's job is to control predators and Fenns are illegal now so they obviously run DOCs etc. Several wild bird shoots around me also rely on predator control. The advantage of DOCs and Tullys is that you don't have to check the traps every 24hrs making them a viable option for the part time keepers as well as the big estates that use them in huge numbers. I appreciate that you live in Yorkshire so how could you know what is going on down south with any real knowledge. In which case it's probably better to keep your powder dry don't you think?
baguio
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shakey jake
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doesnt say you cant use fenns for rats though, also not a law its an opinion.
baguio
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If you're setting tunnel traps, you're setting them for animals including stoats. Good luck trying to prove to the judge that there was no chance of you catching a stoat!
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shakey jake
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why would the judge be asking the question?
baguio
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I think that there is enough information on this thread to clearly point out that setting Fenn traps is now illegal when set in the countryside. If you can't see that you're clearly a bit dim and I would have zero sympathy if you found yourself in court. Good luck.
baguio
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Ignorance is no defence in court. Don't you think everyone would say that? Stoats are everywhere where their prey lives.Havn't heard of anyone getting done for this yet.
As reasonable defence surely would be to have a few mates say they had never seen stoats in that area
Bo Diddley
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Hi @baguio , so is it correct that Fenn MK4 traps are illegal to set and use for trapping no matter how and where you set them in the countryside for rats and squirrels?
Or are you saying this because Stoats may get caught and the trap is illegal to set for them?
If you can point me in the direction of legislation that says they are illegal to use full stop for rats & squirrels I would appreciate it
baguio
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Bo, if you want to try and work out some obscure defence, then that is up to you. I have already posted the legislation. If you can work out a way of making it impossible to catch stoats in your tunnel trap then your Fenn traps would be legal. No one has yet worked out a way though and why would they? The law, as has been stated on these threads before is clear and is totally based around stoats. Setting Fenn traps in tunnels in the city to catch rats would be legal. Set them in the countryside and you will be breaking the law unless it was perhaps high up in the tree and protected from BoP.Hi @baguio , so is it correct that Fenn MK4 traps are illegal to set and use for trapping no matter how and where you set them in the countryside for rats and squirrels?
Or are you saying this because Stoats may get caught and the trap is illegal to set for them?
If you can point me in the direction of legislation that says they are illegal to use full stop for rats & squirrels I would appreciate it
Bo Diddley
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Thanks, I'll look through the previous posts. I just want to be on the right side of the law. Not trying to find a grey area, or be funny.
baguio
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Bo Diddley
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Are Fenn MK6 also unsuitable? Set in a box as on the Gator below at waist height off the ground? I would assume waist height is too low as stoats are agile and can climb easily.
zerovarm
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The elephant in the room here is "intent". If after carrying out a risk assessment (presence of non target species) you set a MK4 Fenn for the purpose of catching rats/squirrels in the correct sized tunnel with a 25mm entrance you haven't broken the law. If a Stoat finds it's way into the Fenn technically you've broken the law but your ass "should" be covered. To continue using the Fenns after capture of a non target species would be idiotic given the current situation with anti's etc. Wild Justice and Packham are coming after this sort of thing in a big way. An abundance of traps are available which cover Stoats and AOLQ so why take the risk?
A few bits of useful reading:
www.gwct.org.uk
www.gwct.org.uk
For those interested.
Tunnel traps - Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust
www.gwct.org.uk
DOC traps - Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust
www.gwct.org.uk
For those interested.
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I guess if you baited a Fenn Mark 4 with rabbit on a grouse moor with no trees around, you would not have much of a defence. But if you used peanut butter (on the edge of woodland where there were squirrels) and you happened to catch a stoat then you'd be totally safe.
Surely it all comes down to intent and probability.
Surely it all comes down to intent and probability.
Bo Diddley
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These links won't work for me
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