FAC - Action not cited
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Oh, what happened there then?
6.5 (.264) is the calibre, it would give them a choice of a few different chamberings eg Creedmoor, PRC, x55 etc.
kenbro
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Hi Tim,
The RFD that sold the rifle (Parker Hale Safari) to me was called John Longstaff.
Some of my fellow dinosaurs on this board will remember John.
He was found expired in an aircraft toilet by police that boarded when he didn’t disembark.
They wanted a word with him.
His throat was cut.
I do know a bit more than that. That wasn’t related to him selling me a 22-250.
.As for me and my 22-250, local ish gunshop (Stensby the gun maker) wouldn’t sell me ammo.
At that time firearms apps. went through the town Police Station and the top man (Chief Super.) either approved or knocked back your application. If approved by him it would be sent off to Lancs. Police HQ in Preston for rubber stamping by Chief Constable Stanley Parr.
So I went to town Police station were the desk Sarg. helped me fill in a variation for a special 22 rifle that needed 22-250 ammo.
Sometime later same desk Sarg. hand delivered my varied certificate back to me.
I think it was about 4 weeks later when two guys turned up at my work place (some sort of police) and asked me questions about trajectories and how much do bullets rise after leaving the barrel and such stuff, which I could answer anyway.
They then said the farmland I had permission on was only safe for 22RF and I’d have to sell my 22-250 and my 22Hornet.
I was a bit green behind the ears then and just got rid of those guns but kept a 22 Rf.
For the time being.
Ken.
Rake Aboot
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Henry Krank I think. The original owner anyway.Hi Tim,
The RFD that sold the rifle (Parker Hale Safari) to me was called John Longstaff.
Some of my fellow dinosaurs on this board will remember John.
He was found expired in an aircraft toilet by police that boarded when he didn’t disembark.
They wanted a word with him.
His throat was cut.
I do know a bit more than that. That wasn’t related to him selling me a 22-250.
Apparently gun running to NI .
8x57
Distinguished Member
I think that as it was so long ago that you may have confused memories. Now I too may be wrong but this is how I remember it. -
I remember John Longstaff (Pheasant Valley Arms), I bought my first .357 revolver off him via mail order. My memory is that he committed suicide in the toilet of an aircraft returning from a trade show in Germany as he had gotten word that the police would be waiting for him on his return to the U.K.
I recall that he was mixed up in the large scale sale of ammunition stolen from the M.O.D. I certainly remember the M.O.D. or military police visiting various gun auctions to check on ex-military ammunition being offered for sale. Several other dealers were also involved including one in Wiltshire. The story goes that there were garages or sheds on Salisbury plain where pallet loads of 9mm and 7.62mm ammunition were found, literally lorry loads.
Now around the same time he may also have been involved in the transfer of guns to Northern Ireland but that story generally relates to Viking Arms, who incidentally were as official importers supplying Ruger firearms to the Royal Ulster Constabulary at the time. Viking had their RFD certificate revoked or suspended for a time, but eventually got it back as what they were doing wasn't illegal but merely some sort of technical infringement involving the paperwork and it was all sorted out.
First rifle: in early 1980s variation for 308 Winchester, brought a 308 Ruger and later some 7.62 ammo.
Took the documents in for renewal and plod on the desk thought he had uncovered the crime of the century. A few uncomfortable minutes ensured.
The law is actually sensible in just specifying calibre, even if we don't know if it's measured in the lands or grooves.
Took the documents in for renewal and plod on the desk thought he had uncovered the crime of the century. A few uncomfortable minutes ensured.
The law is actually sensible in just specifying calibre, even if we don't know if it's measured in the lands or grooves.
kenbro
Well-Known Member
The above is more or less how I remember it too.
John used to share a shop in Chapletown (Pudsey) with an Iron Monger called Fred Carr, two businesses in the same premises.
Ken.
Rake Aboot
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Wasn’t he the original owner of Henry Krank ?
I may be wrong , and it’s all conspiracy theory really isn’t it ?
Was he murdered etc etc .
All those years ago many RFD’s were involved in illegal gun trading. Up here in Edinburgh one had a siege as he was being arrested for buying guns from corrupt police officers to sell on .
Anyway. Back on track ,,,
I may be wrong , and it’s all conspiracy theory really isn’t it ?
Was he murdered etc etc .
All those years ago many RFD’s were involved in illegal gun trading. Up here in Edinburgh one had a siege as he was being arrested for buying guns from corrupt police officers to sell on .
Anyway. Back on track ,,,
8x57
Distinguished Member
"All those years ago many RFD’s were involved in illegal gun trading."
Yes there were one or two who definitely chanced their arm.
I once went to an arms fair in Cheltenham and bumped into a friend who was a RFD. He had his son with him and both the son and I took a liking to a couple of Rohm .38spl derringers (Remington look alike).
Through my friend the RFD we negotiated a price to buy the pair for ÂŁ25 each. We recognised the selling RFD as a comedian that had appeared on regional television only a week or so before and who hailed from either Coleford or Cinderford. Blow me two weeks later the guy was arrested on the platform at Temple Meads railway station trying to sell a couple of sub machine guns to some "yardies" from London.
It made us both wonder for a while if our purchases had been legit.
Yes I remember the conspiracy theories about the death of Longstaff but I think they were just that theories, and it was fairly clear that the guy just couldn't face spending a very long time in prison.
Yes there were one or two who definitely chanced their arm.
I once went to an arms fair in Cheltenham and bumped into a friend who was a RFD. He had his son with him and both the son and I took a liking to a couple of Rohm .38spl derringers (Remington look alike).
Through my friend the RFD we negotiated a price to buy the pair for ÂŁ25 each. We recognised the selling RFD as a comedian that had appeared on regional television only a week or so before and who hailed from either Coleford or Cinderford. Blow me two weeks later the guy was arrested on the platform at Temple Meads railway station trying to sell a couple of sub machine guns to some "yardies" from London.
It made us both wonder for a while if our purchases had been legit.
Yes I remember the conspiracy theories about the death of Longstaff but I think they were just that theories, and it was fairly clear that the guy just couldn't face spending a very long time in prison.
that is why I used to have 22rf and 22wmr ammo separately listed on my FAC... tired of RFD's who would not sell wmr without it being specifically listed
Until very recently when they changed the rules, such exemptions as 'owner of a small bore rifle range'. small bore was not specific in the legislation except as smaller than .23 inch.... nowhere did it say rimfire! often fancied getting a small set up to come under the exemption, buying a 223 to see what they did.
Interested with this, as it seems like it is variable between divisions. Mine (issued in November) looks as follows:
| Calibre Metric or Imperial | Type | Quantity |
| 6.5 Creedmoor | Rifle | 1 |
| .308 | Rifle | 1 |
| .22R/F | Rifle | 1 |
| Full Bore | Sound Moderator | 2 |
| Small Bore | Sound Moderator | 1 |
We actually discussed B/A or S/A for the 22RF, and he did advise that he intended to just put "rifle" down on it - although he did mention that he does check with my target clubs first to make sure they are comfortable with me having a S/A - which makes some sense, if I was perhaps with a 10/25m target club instead of the ones I am in...
Interesting as well comparing mine to @evetseel as my FAC has them all listed out much the same way, but there is no printed "Action" column.
Initially my FEO agreed to just have 6.5, but as I had mentioned to him that I already had been offered a 6.5CM I suspect that's why mine is worded as such - as he did seem to be agreeable to just 6.5.
New one on me ,never.heard that
before.
How are they becoming harder to justify?
The guns haven’t changed, the law hasn’t changed and the quarry hasn’t changed.
But you didn’t get one, because it’s a variation of the standard cartridge that can still fire the original cartridge. Much the same as you can buy an ackley on a standard slot.
timbrayford
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Justification, no such word in the firearms act. Stick to good reason and you won't go far wrong!
You know that, and I know that, but this knowledge is sometimes lacking in licencing depts.
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