Do you think that the current shooting test for the DSC1 qualification is suitable or sufficient?
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bottletopbill
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Well done got my first one a neck shot on a roe stag due to go out again next month hoping to get no, 2
Well done got my first one a neck shot on a roe stag due to go out again next month hoping to get no, 2
bottletopbill
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No it was the roe in the field that turned out to be horses grazing.
According to that little bloke who sat opposite to me on the course.
Do you hear from the rest on watts app group
According to that little bloke who sat opposite to me on the course.
Do you hear from the rest on watts app group
Seems a bit debatable whether it's the ability to be able to recognise where to place shots on a deer silhouette or marksmanship. I am test annually and the way I do it is:- pick a point where i know where the centre of the circle is(it's not my preferred shot placement) fire a shot, check it is where it should be, then just shoot at that bullet hole. I am always pretty much away from all the corners of the circle! Ì do think the circle should be a lot smaller
Deermanagement
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I think there are plenty of stray bullets but by the nature of the business which sees it operate in generally quiet areas, the chances of hitting someone is slim but still there. I used to stalk an estate with woodland footpaths everywhere and walkers who'd walk everywhere. It's probably the type of place that should be limited to high seats and culls taking place by moving deer. I have taken a couple of shots on the estate that afterwards I realised I shouldn't have done, 2 separate occassions on fallow spring to mind and it's the type of place where I'd not be surprised to hear of the type of accident just waiting to happen. Hopefully not
Ref wounded deer, there's plenty of bones around, the results of badly placed shots. I'm now looking after an area that was managed by a "professional", and I've found a couple of skelatons in the last couple of years of 6 point stags that could have died from fight injuries to give the benefit of doubt but I've also found a couple of hind and calf remains that may have indicated injuries.
Having guided a few clients and having witnessed some variable shooting, I know that there's a percentage of animals that never make the larder
There's nothing quite like training and mentoring to achieve good results but plenty will just "go with the flo" and not care about the consequences. There's nothing wrong with having to proove oneself to do a job.
baguio
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DMQ is inward scoring 100%. If the bullet touches the scoring line it counts as a pass so yes, you assume correctly.
baguio
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So people would have to patch up the front and back of the target after each detail? Crikey. It takes long enough as it is to get brand new stalkers through safely!.
A whole 5 seconds to replace the target….for £385 I think they can replace the target…and even give it to you as a memento of your day…not a huge undertaking…
The shooting test should not just be one of marksmanship but also the would-be deerstalker’s competency in rifle & scope setup & maintenance. As in if the the candidate turns up with a poorly zeroed and/or inaccurate rifle and falls the test, they do so based on their poor grasp of minimum standards and a cavalier approach to deer welfare.
Of course this won’t apply if said candidate is then handed a service provider rifle and coached through the test!
Unless the bullet cuts the outer ring line it should be considered a miss. No argument.
K
The targets are replaced after each candidate anyway. That is sufficient, surely?
They stuck a big black patch on our one, which was done with a really shiny paper that made things trickier
Ours were collected after each candidate, labelled, and submitted with our written test papers for final verification. I assumed that was the norm. It certainly should be!
I agree with your first statement however, not the second - if all we want them to demonstrate is that they can put rounds into a 4” circle - make it just that - or show where they want the rounds on the deer clearly….to me it’s not about that specific 4” circle - it’s about correct shooting -
If a candidate arrives and says “I’m going to shoot it in the lower neck” and does so - fine! If they say “I’m going to perform a heart/lung shot” - also fine….(using the outline on the rear as a deciding factor if required)
A 4” circle centre mass is not the only way to kill a roe deer….and people were mentioning brisket shot - if we were that worried about meat loss we would all be head/neck shooting…to me, it’s about an ethical shot more than anything about meat loss, I almost exclusively use pinning shots at 100 yards and over - if a game dealer is bothered about shoulder damage he doesn’t have to take the carcass - but I bet most will, if they need to take a little off the price - fine as well, although I bet most butchers can use a lot of the area.
baguio
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The zeroing targets are replaced. The Deer targets are patched up. Personally I can’t see that there’s much wrong with the current system. Surely if you can hit the kill zone at 70m you can also do it at 40m which makes the 40m shots pointless. There has to be a clear and consistent o pop pass and fail or there would be constant arguments.
That isn't how it was done on the courses that I've been involved with, iirc. See my post #135.
Absolutely!
bottletopbill
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I took my shooting test with jh 1986.
As he as stated we took our test in the rain the A4 staple on target areas were a lot more shinny targets than the matt black deer.
This made it more harder for all and we had some confusion in the last two firing test.
Some were told to sit for both and did not use there sticks and they found this more harder and failed.
So feel all candidates need to know they have to shoot there test
Prone first 100y second test can be sitting or off sticks and the same for the Head shot and the same targets used for all test not mix and match.
No I was lucky and passed at first attempt but buying a BDS target to practice on and it was different on the test day off putting .
As he as stated we took our test in the rain the A4 staple on target areas were a lot more shinny targets than the matt black deer.
This made it more harder for all and we had some confusion in the last two firing test.
Some were told to sit for both and did not use there sticks and they found this more harder and failed.
So feel all candidates need to know they have to shoot there test
Prone first 100y second test can be sitting or off sticks and the same for the Head shot and the same targets used for all test not mix and match.
No I was lucky and passed at first attempt but buying a BDS target to practice on and it was different on the test day off putting .
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