Double cab pickup HMRC BIK Changes

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Is this down to too many people taking the **** and using their shiny new 4x4 off road vehicle to drop the kids off at school every day or just to drive to the office and back pretending it’s a work vehicle when it’s being used as a car?

People buy a vehicle to suit their needs. Who is to say that those dropping their kids off at school don't have a genuine reason to own a pick up?

Lots of people tow horse trailers, caravans, carry a pile of bikes, dogs or whatever.

Just as generations grew out of saloon cars in to hatchback and then into SUV's many families have now outgrown these. A pickup is a brilliant family load carrier when you are 4 up plus dogs and all the other stuff that goes along with them.

Personally I tow a caravan and could go back to anything smaller. It has the load capacity, tow bar capacity, space in the back for awning, chairs, dog, food and drink. AND it was way cheaper than the medium/large SUV I would have needed to get the same towing ability.

Oh, an I no longer have ticks in the cabin of my vehicle.

 

[HonestJohn]

I am like you, I claim business mileage at HMRC’s rate of £0.45 per mile - which has been the same rate since cars were invented

But there are plenty who put the vehicle into the business, claim all the VAT, running, fuel and service costs in full on the business and have limited recharge for personal use. And they do this whether its a pick up or a car, or for that matter an electric car. But the put a small business logo so that’s their justification.

It’s this sort of behaviour that’s buggered it for the rest of us.

I did always wonder why so many small businesses and contractors were needed at kids football games

 

[HonestJohn]

People buy a vehicle to suit their needs. Who is to say that those dropping their kids off at school don't have a genuine reason to own a pick up?

Lots of people tow horse trailers, caravans, carry a pile of bikes, dogs or whatever.

Just as generations grew out of saloon cars in to hatchback and then into SUV's many families have now outgrown these. A pickup is a brilliant family load carrier when you are 4 up plus dogs and all the other stuff that goes along with them.

Personally I tow a caravan and could go back to anything smaller. It has the load capacity, tow bar capacity, space in the back for awning, chairs, dog, food and drink. AND it was way cheaper than the medium/large SUV I would have needed to get the same towing ability.

Oh, an I no longer have ticks in the cabin of my vehicle.

I think the point is, if you claim it as a business vehicle and treat it as such tax wise, don’t use it 99% for personal purposes - which, is what happens in 9/10 cases where I live by contractors, self employed and a lot of farmers that let the wives use the new Hilly as the school pick up and drop off vehicle

 

[25 Sharps]

Lots and lots of people are bothered about it actually.

Companies using a works vehicle ( with all the tax benefits) and then not using it as a works vehicle and using it as a car.
It’s tax avoidance at worst but it ****es a lot of people off as they have to buy a car from their own pocket and not have the taxman help provide one .

I don’t give a **** myself. If I could lessen the cost of running my Hilux I would , but I can’t set up a “ retired” company

Sounds like jealousy to me!

 

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I think the point is, if you claim it as a business vehicle and treat it as such tax wise, don’t use it 99% for personal purposes - which, is what happens in 9/10 cases where I live by contractors, self employed and a lot of farmers that let the wives use the new Hilly as the school pick up and drop off vehicle

Understood but lot in my neck of the woods (including me) use a pickup purely as a private vehicle and paid the full VAT on purchase.

 

[Skietindiekop]

But if you don’t have a fixed workplace, like @Jh1986 then it’s not commuting and BIK doesn’t apply. From memory you have to be working at a location for 2 years for it to become commuting.

I think that is what I said.
I have a van, no private use, work from home contract with a depot I visit occasionally, pay no BIK

 

[User00047]

People buy a vehicle to suit their needs. Who is to say that those dropping their kids off at school don't have a genuine reason to own a pick up?

Lots of people tow horse trailers, caravans, carry a pile of bikes, dogs or whatever.

Just as generations grew out of saloon cars in to hatchback and then into SUV's many families have now outgrown these. A pickup is a brilliant family load carrier when you are 4 up plus dogs and all the other stuff that goes along with them.

Personally I tow a caravan and could go back to anything smaller. It has the load capacity, tow bar capacity, space in the back for awning, chairs, dog, food and drink. AND it was way cheaper than the medium/large SUV I would have needed to get the same towing ability.

Oh, an I no longer have ticks in the cabin of my vehicle.

Of course for many people it’s extremely convenient to own a pickup truck.
The point is, for tax purposes it was supposed to be classed as a work vehicle that you could also use for personal use some of the time. Too many people had practically zero reason for a pickup truck for their work and just wanted the luxury of using one for their hobbies, bikes, horses, dogs, caravans, boats or just to look like Mr big,
but they also wanted the tax benefits that were available for people using them for work.

 

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Of course for many people it’s extremely convenient to own a pickup truck.
The point is, for tax purposes it was supposed to be classed as a work vehicle that you could also use for personal use some of the time. Too many people had practically zero reason for a pickup truck for their work and just wanted the luxury of using one for their hobbies, bikes, horses, dogs, caravans, boats or just to look like Mr big,
but they also wanted the tax benefits that were available for people using them for work.

It's not classed as a work vehicle if you buy it purely for personal use and accept paying the full VAT.

 

[User00047]

It's not classed as a work vehicle if you buy it purely for personal use and accept paying the full VAT.

I know.
But that’s not what this thread is about, is it?

 

[Rake Aboot]

Sounds like jealousy to me!

Unfairness you mean ?

Not everyone has the means to cheat the taxman.

As I said , I don’t give a **** , but calling it jealousy is simply arrogance towards others.

 

[25 Sharps]

Unfairness you mean ?

Not everyone has the means to cheat the taxman.

As I said , I don’t give a **** , but calling it jealousy is simply arrogance towards others.

‘It’s tax avoidance at worst’

Sounds like you give a **** to me, why else comment.



Though the above observation about tax avoidance is way off the mark, people still pay tax on the vehicles, it’s just the same rate as a van, rather than a car. That’s pennies compared to the tax avoidance the super rich employ or the multinationals who basically bully governments into not paying tax.

‘Not everyone has the means’

So yes, sounds like jealousy.

As for tax, I pay my fair share and it’s a lot more than most people who don’t have the means to cheat the tax man, mainly because I don’t cheat the tax man!

 

[25 Sharps]

Of course for many people it’s extremely convenient to own a pickup truck.
The point is, for tax purposes it was supposed to be classed as a work vehicle that you could also use for personal use some of the time. Too many people had practically zero reason for a pickup truck for their work and just wanted the luxury of using one for their hobbies, bikes, horses, dogs, caravans, boats or just to look like Mr big,
but they also wanted the tax benefits that were available for people using them for work.

Again, sounds like jealousy!

 

[25 Sharps]

I think that is what I said.
I have a van, no private use, work from home contract with a depot I visit occasionally, pay no BIK

You did, I just thought you were responding to a different post, apologies

 

[25 Sharps]

I think the point is, if you claim it as a business vehicle and treat it as such tax wise, don’t use it 99% for personal purposes - which, is what happens in 9/10 cases where I live by contractors, self employed and a lot of farmers that let the wives use the new Hilly as the school pick up and drop off vehicle

How on earth do you know what other peoples’ vehicles are used for 99% of the time?

Mine is used as a family vehicle including school pick up and drop off on occasion.

It’s also used for carrying cement, bricks, blocks, chains, road gullies and tows plant etc. Most of the people in my neighbourhood wouldn’t see any of that as I don’t run a medium sized groundworks business from my own garden!

It’s no different than any tradesman using their van for personal use!

 

[25 Sharps]

People buy a vehicle to suit their needs. Who is to say that those dropping their kids off at school don't have a genuine reason to own a pick up?

Lots of people tow horse trailers, caravans, carry a pile of bikes, dogs or whatever.

Just as generations grew out of saloon cars in to hatchback and then into SUV's many families have now outgrown these. A pickup is a brilliant family load carrier when you are 4 up plus dogs and all the other stuff that goes along with them.

Personally I tow a caravan and could go back to anything smaller. It has the load capacity, tow bar capacity, space in the back for awning, chairs, dog, food and drink. AND it was way cheaper than the medium/large SUV I would have needed to get the same towing ability.

Oh, an I no longer have ticks in the cabin of my vehicle.

The ticks is a massive selling point!

 

[Rake Aboot]

‘It’s tax avoidance at worst’

Sounds like you give a **** to me, why else comment.



Though the above observation about tax avoidance is way off the mark, people still pay tax on the vehicles, it’s just the same rate as a van, rather than a car. That’s pennies compared to the tax avoidance the super rich employ or the multinationals who basically bully governments into not paying tax.

‘Not everyone has the means’

So yes, sounds like jealousy.

As for tax, I pay my fair share and it’s a lot more than most people who don’t have the means to cheat the tax man, mainly because I don’t cheat the tax man!

And it sounds to me like you’ve not got a clue what your talking about.

For a start , I’m commenting because it’s the topic of a thread . I’m entitled to and it’s not really for the likes of you to judge why I’m commenting.
To follow, claiming BIK tax relief on a commercial vehicle for work then using it as a private vehicle is tax evasion not avoidance , hence the reason Coca Cola were taken to court in the first place , do try and do some home work before telling me I’m wrong.

And lastly , I think you’re actually talking about road fund licensing ( road tax) and not being it in kind which is what this threads actually about.

 

[25 Sharps]

And it sounds to me like you’ve not got a clue what your talking about.

For a start , I’m commenting because it’s the topic of a thread . I’m entitled to and it’s not really for the likes of you to judge why I’m commenting.
To follow, claiming BIK tax relief on a commercial vehicle for work then using it as a private vehicle is tax evasion not avoidance , hence the reason Coca Cola were taken to court in the first place , do try and do some home work before telling me I’m wrong.

And lastly , I think you’re actually talking about road fund licensing ( road tax) and not being it in kind which is what this threads actually about.

It’s benefit in kind.

If you have a company vehicle you pay benefit in kind for personal use and on fuel if you are supplied all your fuel and don’t deduct personal mileage.

Benefit in kind isn’t tax relief, the issue is you pay less benefit in kind for a commercial vehicle than a car. Also the fuel benefit in kind is capped for commercial vehicles (circa £650 from memory) whereas it is not for company cars.

Currently double cab pick ups with a load capacity of 1T or greater are classed as commercial and fall into the same category of vans so lower tax wise for personal use and fuel. The revenue are changing the category of twin cab pickups to the same as a car so tax on both the vehicle and the fuel increases. The benefit goes from around 3.5k to 14k, depending on the vehicle value and emissions, so you are paying tax on an extra 11k.

It’s nothing to do with road tax. I run a company of just shy of 100 people with a fleet of vans and company cars, it’s nothing to do with road tax and you clearly have no clue!

 

[Rake Aboot]

Stuff , what I had already said

So pretty much exactly what I said then lol.

I know what BIK ( auto correct changing benefit to being it , obviously) is and claiming commercial and then using it for personal is exactly why hmrc and closing the loop hole folk are using to avoid tax

If you read my post above you’ll see that I already know it’s not rfl

To be honest , your posts are generally obnoxious so just ignore anything I say in future cause I cant be arsed with you.

 

[TTT]

Doesn't this just mean that Toyota (and others) will start selling single cab pickups in the UK again? They remain commercial vehicles under the new rules.

 

[25 Sharps]

And it sounds to me like you’ve not got a clue what your talking about.

For a start , I’m commenting because it’s the topic of a thread . I’m entitled to and it’s not really for the likes of you to judge why I’m commenting.
To follow, claiming BIK tax relief on a commercial vehicle for work then using it as a private vehicle is tax evasion not avoidance , hence the reason Coca Cola were taken to court in the first place , do try and do some home work before telling me I’m wrong.

And lastly , I think you’re actually talking about road fund licensing ( road tax) and not being it in kind which is what this threads actually about.

It’s benefit in kind.

If you have a company vehicle you pay benefit in kind for personal use and on fuel if you are supplied all your fuel and don’t deduct personal mileage.

Benefit in kind isn’t tax relief, the issue is you pay less benefit in kind for a commercial vehicle than a car. Also the fuel benefit in kind is capped for commercial vehicles (circa £650 from memory) whereas it is not for company cars.

Currently double cab pick ups with a load capacity of 1T or greater are classed as commercial and fall into the same category of vans so lower tax wise for personal use and fuel. The revenue are changing the category of twin cab pickups to the same as a car so tax on both the vehicle and the fuel increases. The benefit goes from around 3.5k to 14k, depending on the vehicle value and emissions, so you are paying tax on an extra 11k.

It’s nothing to do with road tax. I run a company of 100 people with a fleet of vans and company cars, it’s nothing to do with road tax and you clearly have no clue!

So pretty much exactly what I said then lol.

I know what BIK ( auto correct changing benefit to being it , obviously) is and claiming commercial and then using it for personal is exactly why hmrc and closing the loop hole folk are using to avoid tax

If you read my post above you’ll see that I already know it’s not rfl

To be honest , your posts are generally obnoxious so just ignore anything I say in future cause I cant be arsed with you.

You are the one who said it was tax avoidance, then you said it was tax evasion.

You also brought up road fund licence which has naff all to do with anything.

You also told me to do my homework (hence I thought I’d explain my understanding and its basis,) yet I’m the obnoxious one.