Farmed Salmon

[Stalker62]

Not much of a fisherman (as my recorded attempts testify), and I know that 'farming' salmon will split the room, but I thought this both worrying and rather sad.

I am aware that 'natural' salmon are decreasing in numbers and that they are, (by and large) becoming more difficult to catch, and that some rivers are in a desperate state - and that there is some evidence that farmed salmon has a deleterious effect on wild salmon.

I do wonder if my Grandchildren will ever be able to fish for them, and if images such as this are a thing of the past...

Mass die-offs among farmed salmon on the rise around the world

Warmer seas and greater reliance on technology are linked to hundreds of millions of farmed salmon deaths.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[jall55]

I think its shocking - but so much in life these days is

 

[Bo Diddley]

You can only keep sweeping the rubbish under the carpet for so long... then you start to start to see it spilling from the edges... it's not just salmon farming.

 

[Ali]

This is worth a look Gents, pretty alarming .

 

[Essexsussex]

I’ve given up with salmon. If you live near a river and can pick conditions you can still catch a few no problems. If you have to hope for a specific day or week booked in advance and then travel, it’s not only the lack of fish against you it’s what the weather will do.
I now fish half an hour away and catch bass (fairly) reliably. Instead of driving 6 hours to find the river in flood or disappeared to a trickle.

 

[sauer]

i love salmon ...having eaten it because of what its done to wild stocks ....

i dived an area of west coast .....went back year later fish farm there,.... dived adjacent to it ...seabed which was a thriving reef now barren and 4" deep in **** that killed everything, our suits and gear needed severe cleaning to get rid of smell

i know argument of economy but they employ small numbers locally, then the big money profits go out country back to norway or wherever .....

facebook inside salmon feedlots.... scary.....


lets face it... if that sh1t went on in full view of everybody on land it bee shut down years ago......

i believe there is a way of doing onshore in a closed loop system , but from a welfare point of view i dunnoe how it is....

i miss smoked salmon slices on scrambled eggs .... i succumb once every couple years but its not an industry i want to support in current form ...... id support it if it cleaned up its acts but not just now


locally the North Esk has been off to a good start fish wise .... but amount of seals & cormorants on the go etc nowadays !...but that's another conversation!


cheers
Paul

 

[shakey jake]

other than maybe crab, lobster, mussels and dived scallops. any type of commercial fishing is a disaster. salmon farming should be stopped. wild stocks are suffering, pollution is awful, salmon feed is depleting wild stocks of small fish.
suvh a shame the state we have got the seas into

 

[Freeforester]

i love salmon ...having eaten it because of what its done to wild stocks ....

i dived an area of west coast .....went back year later fish farm there,.... dived adjacent to it ...seabed which was a thriving reef now barren and 4" deep in **** that killed everything, our suits and gear needed severe cleaning to get rid of smell

i know argument of economy but they employ small numbers locally, then the big money profits go out country back to norway or wherever .....

facebook inside salmon feedlots.... scary.....


lets face it... if that sh1t went on in full view of everybody on land it bee shut down years ago......

i believe there is a way of doing onshore in a closed loop system , but from a welfare point of view i dunnoe how it is....

i miss smoked salmon slices on scrambled eggs .... i succumb once every couple years but its not an industry i want to support in current form ...... id support it if it cleaned up its acts but not just now


locally the North Esk has been off to a good start fish wise .... but amount of seals & cormorants on the go etc nowadays !...but that's another conversation!


cheers
Paul

More effluent produced on the west coast salmon farms than from all the human settlements large and small (which has to be treated before release these days). ‘Externalise’ the costs to society, retain the profits privately - a great business model. Chile banned the whole lot. Health aspects aside, you’ve got to be mad to eat the stuff, especially when you can buy smoked wild salmon from sustainable sources.

 

[NullMac]

Well I hope images like that are a thing of the past. No way to look after a valuable species.

The reality is that the wild salmon is now an endangered species. Catch numbers have plummeted. A 'good' start is now what an awful start would have been.

There are too many predators sure but there has been a collapse for reasons that we do not understand. I suspect huge overfishing while at sea, but thats all it is. The fishery boards don't help themselves banging on about genetic purity and being ideological about hatcheries while the fish die out.

Farmed salmon killed off the West Coast fish decades ago, its old news and not an effect on the East Coast.

Amateurism at its worst I am afraid both at the fishery board level and the political level where your wee lassies living in Bruntsfield with their PPE degrees are only interested in the political games not what actually happens in the country. After all they can't simply ban a reduction in fish stocks; they don't know what to do so simply ignore it and do something that will get them on telly and/or get more votes.

Independence has cost the country dear, rank disinterest and incompetence in Government since Salmond resigned yet the faithful keep voting for the Independence Dream. You get what you vote for...

 

[enfieldspares]

Mass die-offs among farmed salmon on the rise around the world

Warmer seas and greater reliance on technology are linked to hundreds of millions of farmed salmon deaths.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[enfieldspares]

Oops. Already covered elsewhere. Please ignore here and comment on the other thread.

 

[scotch_egg]

Farmed Salmon

Not much of a fisherman (as my recorded attempts testify), and I know that 'farming' salmon will split the room, but I thought this both worrying and rather sad. I am aware that 'natural' salmon are decreasing in numbers and that they are, (by and large) becoming more difficult to catch, and...

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

 

[Stalker62]

Farmed Salmon

Not much of a fisherman (as my recorded attempts testify), and I know that 'farming' salmon will split the room, but I thought this both worrying and rather sad. I am aware that 'natural' salmon are decreasing in numbers and that they are, (by and large) becoming more difficult to catch, and...

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

@scotch_egg

Just out of interest, how do you do that?

 

[scotch_egg]

@scotch_egg

Just out of interest, how do you do that?

Use the address highlighted in red. I’m on my phone but the same on a computer. Cut and then paste in to your reply.

Sometimes it will link in the same way or sometimes just the words in a hyperlink. I have no idea why there is a difference.

 

[willie_gunn]

Not much of a fisherman (as my recorded attempts testify), and I know that 'farming' salmon will split the room, but I thought this both worrying and rather sad.

I am aware that 'natural' salmon are decreasing in numbers and that they are, (by and large) becoming more difficult to catch, and that some rivers are in a desperate state - and that there is some evidence that farmed salmon has a deleterious effect on wild salmon.

I do wonder if my Grandchildren will ever be able to fish for them, and if images such as this are a thing of the past...

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Mass die-offs among farmed salmon on the rise around the world

Warmer seas and greater reliance on technology are linked to hundreds of millions of farmed salmon deaths.

www.bbc.co.uk

You are unlikley to see images such as that in the UK ever again, but in other countries there are still such salmon - one of our neighbours lives in Canada for part of the year, and she caught a 49 pound salmon (plus three others over 20 lbs) last Summer. They value wild salmon as both an indicator species and an economic resource.

Sadly because salmon farming happens out of the public gaze no-one seems to care, least of all Scottish politicians who just love to have selfies showing themselves alongside these areas of mass destruction.

The biggest tragedy was when the Soil Association allowed farmed salmon to be labelled as Organic - they should hang their heads in shame!

 

[Stalker62]

Use the address highlighted in red. I’m on my phone but the same on a computer. Cut and then paste in to your reply.

Sometimes it will link in the same way or sometimes just the words in a hyperlink. I have no idea why there is a difference.

I think I need a ten-year-old to show me...

 

[Ratel]

Since wild salmon were tagged to see where they went to, stocks have been severely depleted. Did they think our good friends from Russia couldn't track and catch them.

 

[opticron1]

Sadly, the whole fiasco will come as no surprise to anyone who has watched the fake salmon industry for years. Up here, we have had repeated enquiries, reviews, working groups, committees, re-reviews, new enquiries ad infinitum ........and all that happens is a bit of hand wringing and the disaster is allowed to continue under the pretext of "saving jobs in remote areas" - this of course used to be quoted at 10,000 employees, but over the years has been written down to a more accurate 2,500 WTE employees because you can't count the fish processors as they look after all types of fish and many of these employees are ...errr.... temporary from other parts of the world....
The whole industry is a mess and as long as it's allowed to continue in its present form, there will be no change and the profits from "Scottish" Salmon will continue to be siphoned off to the parent companies in Norway/Denmark/Faroe Islands/Ukraine (delete where applicable) ably supported by the likes of ex limp-dem politician Tavish Scott as their paid cheerleader - ably cheered on by any two bit politician looking for a future directorship.
Wild Salmon don't matter to our inept politicians - no votes in the subject! But don't worry, we'll have another review so we can kick the can down the road a bit more!

 

[angusb1]

I saw a program where they showed the impact of salmon farming on the seabed under the pens and also the diseased and lice ridden fish and I won't eat farmed salmon now. The same program also showed how salmon can be farmed in big above ground cylindrical tanks where the water was pumped through so it was swirling round the tank and the fish swum against the flow constantly. There was a filtration system which enabled all the waste to be caught and used as fertiliser. The whole thing was a completely controlled environment which seemed much healthier and had way less environmental impact. I expect it's more expensive than putting a pen in a loch but I would eat fish produced that way if it was healthy for the fish and didn't negatively impact wild fish and their environment.

I'm no expert and I could have this all wrong but it seemed a better way to do it.

 

[MarinePMI]

JMHO, but the salmon will bounce back; it's a normal cycle that ebbs and flows with the climate change cycle. I'm sure there was likely a large die off of salmon back when the Romans were growing wine grapes in what would become the UK.