Live round stuck in body die.

Kind of interesting to see the reactions here. Running a loaded round into a body die isn't that big of a deal. I've done it a few times when the brass didn't have the shoulder bumped back enough to chamber in a rifle. Just lube the cases, and it isn't a problem. It's one of the reasons why they were made.
Sometimes people justify doing something because it worked 100 times, 1,000 times, or 100,000 times. Such is the origin of our greatest industrial disasters.

It takes seconds to take the round out, load a different round, then at home remove the bullet and powder, lube, resize, pour the powder back in and reseat the bullet. One can also then measure things to improve your reloading process, to reduce incidence in the future.

Resizing with the bullet seated has got to affect neck tension, hence accuracy, as well as being an obvious Darwin award application. If enough people apply for an award by doing a task in a hazardous manner when there is a safe alternative, it is just a matter of time before someone is awarded with one of nature's lessons.
 
Microwave - calling Kenbro, calling Kenbro….
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Hey,
I really do feel sorry for some on here.
I chose to do a dangerous job for 7 years and after that I still had to go looking for “exciting” situations.
Now I’m growing up I keep to mundane things for excitement.
I sometimes (For excitement) go down to the road junction near home to watch the traffic lights changing.
Some on here admit to having to catch their breath when the opportunity to shoot an animal presents itself…..
Some must have lead very sheltered lives?
I wonder how many of my critics have put their life on the line, for any reason.
Now….where’s my hacksaw…(CuBe,of course.)
Cheers, Ken.
 
Hey,
I really do feel sorry for some on here.
I chose to do a dangerous job for 7 years and after that I still had to go looking for “exciting” situations.
Now I’m growing up I keep to mundane things for excitement.
I sometimes (For excitement) go down to the road junction near home to watch the traffic lights changing.
Some on here admit to having to catch their breath when the opportunity to shoot an animal presents itself…..
Some must have lead very sheltered lives?
I wonder how many of my critics have put their life on the line, for any reason.
Now….where’s my hacksaw…(CuBe,of course.)
Cheers, Ken.
Ken, oh dear,
My entire career has been with equipment and chemistry that kills people. In our sector, we are the only company out of 27 competitors not to have had a fatal accident, and we sell more units than 80% of the others.
One of our competitors killed one in 11 members of the public that bought his kit. Another killed one in 17, and sold over 1100. We publish the fatalities online - I will PM you the link to the list.+

My youth included things like trying to run an engine on nitroglycerine (age 13 or 14) as there was no internet then explaining nitro-injection uses liquid nitrous oxide not a pint of pressurised nitroglycerine, discovering why it is quite important that casting moulds are REALLY dry before pouring molten metal into them, and many other really dumb things, before going onto to learn through a proper apprenticeship, and universities, for a career working in nuclear power generation design and then a whole pile of safety technologies, many of them military. I have more than 4 decades of that experience, and still learning. Nobody has ever called my activity lame before. Even my son told me, he would be astonished if I die from old age, though I am doing my best to prove him wrong.

The reason people are telling you something is dangerous is not because they are lame, it is because they have seen what kills people, first hand. They have become an expert by making or seeing all possible mistakes in a limited field.

One of the courses I teach now is on high pressure oxygen safety. I start by saying nobody is injured by HP oxygen, then show a long list of dead people and dates, many slides of their dead bodies (dead, not injured), and film clips on how they got that way. For example, the German guy who thought it was a bright idea to set up an oxygen therapy chamber to sleep in (idiots who believe oxygen makes them young when if fact it is toxic and is why those who don't take short cuts, grow old and die due to free radicals from oxidative damage). It was hot during the summer, so he installed a bathroom fan in his chamber. Pictures of the wall of his house taken out, his foot on his lawn but the rest of him somewhere else. That sort of thiing.

An old flying instructor I know summed things up well, "Lawyers and ex-police tend to make the worst pilots because some from that group think laws don't apply to them, and then there are the ones who don't follow procedure and do things properly, taking shortcuts on the lessons that many paid with their lives to give us." Going into reloading instead of flying, if in those categories, may not be a wise choice. If you want to do potentially dangerous things, think what is the worst that could happen and remove the potential, otherwise the worst things will happen when you least expect. Putting a live round into what is a chamber with blocked barrel, then sawing through the primer, or even resizing it while in that state, is a roulette game. Just trust me on this one.
 
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It doesn't work. The wax sets before making to the bottom of the pellets. Unless you heat the whole cartridge, which is where the problems really start.
Far easier to cut around the case and into the wad, allegedly....
I beg to differ,
But I’m not going to give you a tutorial.

The other process you described most certainly does not work and is bloody well dangerous to boot.
What you’re trying to achieve is launching the shot charge plus wad and a portion of the cartridge case through the forcing cone and down the barrel as a single projectile.

The diameter of a cartridge is .73 - 79”, bores are a nominal .723 without choke restriction, full choke could make that .685.


DONT F’ing TRY IT !
 
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Hey,
I really do feel sorry for some on here.
I chose to do a dangerous job for 7 years and after that I still had to go looking for “exciting” situations.
Now I’m growing up I keep to mundane things for excitement.
I sometimes (For excitement) go down to the road junction near home to watch the traffic lights changing.
Some on here admit to having to catch their breath when the opportunity to shoot an animal presents itself…..
Some must have lead very sheltered lives?
I wonder how many of my critics have put their life on the line, for any reason.
Now….where’s my hacksaw…(CuBe,of course.)
Cheers, Ken.
Nah - just joshing(ish) - anyhow that was nothing pal - in my early reloading days I regularly seated the occasional protruding primers of live homeloads in the press - now that was really, really dumb!
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💥💥WARNING 💥💥
Seating protruding primers in live rounds by any method is extremely dangerous - do not attempt this - ever!
 
I beg to differ,
But I’m not going to give you a tutorial.

The other process you described most certainly does not work and is bloody well dangerous to boot.
What you’re trying to achieve is launching the shot charge plus wad and a portion of the cartridge case through the forcing cone and down the barrel as a single projectile.

The diameter of a cartridge is .73 - 79”, bores are a nominal .723 without choke restriction, full choke could make that .685.


DONT F’ing TRY IT !
YouTube it.
 
Hey,
I really do feel sorry for some on here.
I chose to do a dangerous job for 7 years and after that I still had to go looking for “exciting” situations.
Now I’m growing up I keep to mundane things for excitement.
I sometimes (For excitement) go down to the road junction near home to watch the traffic lights changing.
Some on here admit to having to catch their breath when the opportunity to shoot an animal presents itself…..
Some must have lead very sheltered lives?
I wonder how many of my critics have put their life on the line, for any reason.
Now….where’s my hacksaw…(CuBe,of course.)
Cheers, Ken.

I think some people probably don't know the function of the body die, and some perhaps like to portray themselves a little "holier than thou" I must confess I cannot see any actual danger in what you did here (assuming some minimal precautions like eye and ear defence, a safe backstop in case the bullet did get fired from the case during the operation, and standing off to the side whilst sawing).

Presumably the fact that body dies are constructed to allow the insertion of a loaded round is a reflection of the fact that one of the ways you discover you need to use it is when one of your rounds doesn't chamber in the first place....
 
YouTube it.
I don’t have to, been there done that and have the T shirt.

Best tool for the job, by the way, is a single barrel with a mechanical action and sights of some kind.

It all happened a long long time ago in a distant land, but it happened, and I wuzz there.
 
This thread has made me laugh out loud. It reminded me of the young ones sketch where Vivian is hitting the ICBM shouting

“WHY WONT IT GO OFF”
 
It doesn't work. The wax sets before making to the bottom of the pellets. Unless you heat the whole cartridge, which is where the problems really start.
Far easier to cut around the case and into the wad, allegedly....
We had an Arab chap buy a pheasant day. He reckoned scoring around the cartridge would produce something that he had smashed paving slabs with.
 
Ken, oh dear,
My entire career has been with equipment and chemistry that kills people. In our sector, we are the only company out of 27 competitors not to have had a fatal accident, and we sell more units than 80% of the others.
One of our competitors killed one in 11 members of the public that bought his kit. Another killed one in 17, and sold over 1100. We publish the fatalities online - I will PM you the link to the list.+

My youth included things like trying to run an engine on nitroglycerine (age 13 or 14) as there was no internet then explaining nitro-injection uses liquid nitrous oxide not a pint of pressurised nitroglycerine, discovering why it is quite important that casting moulds are REALLY dry before pouring molten metal into them, and many other really dumb things, before going onto to learn through a proper apprenticeship, and universities, for a career working in nuclear power generation design and then a whole pile of safety technologies, many of them military. I have more than 4 decades of that experience, and still learning. Nobody has ever called my activity lame before. Even my son told me, he would be astonished if I die from old age, though I am doing my best to prove him wrong.

The reason people are telling you something is dangerous is not because they are lame, it is because they have seen what kills people, first hand. They have become an expert by making or seeing all possible mistakes in a limited field.

One of the courses I teach now is on high pressure oxygen safety. I start by saying nobody is injured by HP oxygen, then show a long list of dead people and dates, many slides of their dead bodies (dead, not injured), and film clips on how they got that way. For example, the German guy who thought it was a bright idea to set up an oxygen therapy chamber to sleep in (idiots who believe oxygen makes them young when if fact it is toxic and is why those who don't take short cuts, grow old and die due to free radicals from oxidative damage). It was hot during the summer, so he installed a bathroom fan in his chamber. Pictures of the wall of his house taken out, his foot on his lawn but the rest of him somewhere else. That sort of thiing.

An old flying instructor I know summed things up well, "Lawyers and ex-police tend to make the worst pilots because some from that group think laws don't apply to them, and then there are the ones who don't follow procedure and do things properly, taking shortcuts on the lessons that many paid with their lives to give us." Going into reloading instead of flying, if in those categories, may not be a wise choice. If you want to do potentially dangerous things, think what is the worst that could happen and remove the potential, otherwise the worst things will happen when you least expect. Putting a live round into what is a chamber with blocked barrel, then sawing through the primer, or even resizing it while in that state, is a roulette game. Just trust me on this one.
Alex said: Putting a live round into what is a chamber with blocked barrel!
Do you even know what a body dies is?
Pay attention at the back, please.
Flying? Bin there and done it.
Cheers, Ken.
 
Alex said: Putting a live round into what is a chamber with blocked barrel!
Do you even know what a body dies is?
Pay attention at the back, please.
Flying? Bin there and done it.
Cheers, Ken.
One of these (image below).

Anyone wish to try putting 65,000 psi into it and film it for our amusement? Even with the top removed?

The round got stuck in it, where about? Bets on the neck? Not shoulder, neck.
 

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One of these (image below).

Anyone wish to try putting 65,000 psi into it and film it for our amusement? Even with the top removed?

The round got stuck in it, where about? Bets on the neck? Not shoulder, neck.
That looks nothing like the three Redding body dies that I have.
They do not do anything to the neck!
The 'top' is not revovable, there is nothing other than a shaped 'hole' to bump the shoulder back.
I don't think you have seen anything other than the image you posted.
 
One of these (image below).

Anyone wish to try putting 65,000 psi into it and film it for our amusement? Even with the top removed?

The round got stuck in it, where about? Bets on the neck? Not shoulder, neck.
Ummm...that's not a Redding body die in your picture.

This thread has definitely highlighted some folks, that clearly have never used or had a body die...
 
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