You can get rubber de-resonator types also, think I have one laying around if you decide to give it a go....Hampshire not a million miles away so if you wanted to arrange a time I can bring the resonator to you to try
Is .22lr high velocity less prone to ricochet?
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HMR still bounces all over the place
Not my experience, mine bounced a lot.
I have one on my .22 CZ 455. I think ive noticed a little improvement .
Heym SR20
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What brand of copper segmented?
I did with my cz455 too but then put it in a chassis
The potential for ricochet is increased by the amount of kinetic energy on impact . The difference with say a HMR is you dont usually hear the resulting ricochet as its likely still faster than the speed of sound after impact and ricochet , this is also true when we go up to the deer calibre centerfire centrefire i have seen some but never have i heard the zing as stated you commonly wont . Some folks say the 22 LR is prone to ricochet , it is but so are all firearms and like i say the more the energy the greater the chance but you just dont hardly ever hear ricochets with a deer rifle but they are happening i promise you that ! Far more commonly than many think . The HMR carries more energy and the bullets are certainly not turning to dust as so many think .
Consider every shot you take carefully , if you really want a safer to use tool get some CCI quiets for the 22 LR but apply brain before taking any shot and even the 12 ft lb airgun can ricochet and folks have been killed by sub 6 ftlb airguns
Seeing a rooster tail of dew rise up of a dewy as a 140 grain 7mm deer bullet passed through a Roe Buck and found something to bounce off some 20 years ago woke me up ! 17 HMR was very much pitched to be safer than 22LR but that is Just BS frankly - more energy means the greater the risk !
ENERGY increases the risk from ricochet , lack of it reduces the risk but no bullets turn harmless to fairy farts - it just takes hitting something in a sweet spot
when i do not need power I use CCI quiets 22LR the energy is around 30 ft lb with a 40 grain 22 bullet BUT i always take care what shots i take . A steep inclined shot into trees can be safe with these but it has to be a steep angle and the surrounding area should be proven clear . Or better still use a std power airgun
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I shot quite a lot of them early days of the launch , i dont personally know any who use them today . They kill very well ! If i had to shoot all small quarry fast and didn't care too much about best placement ( which i certainly do care about btw) I would rate them highly . some said they got poorer accuracy , i did not but they where not Lapua / Eley old type subs accurate either .
Downside of killing well was those break off segments breaking into the rumen, messing up the carcass
What on earth kind of animal are you shooting with a 22lr if it has a rumen?
Interesting , not a very common cartridge ! The ultimate measure is taken to be retained energy at the point of impact though . Surely its greater energy than the 22 LR hence a higher not a lower risk , we cannot select the angle of a ricochet, what it actually hits in the ground or a bullet breaking up enough to stop its flight . The most scary thing is supersonic ricochet is only audible if its below the sonic barrier the "Zing" means you have a very unstable projectile that's lost a good deal of its stability . Case in point i have never had an audible ricochet off one of my deer rifles but i must have had plenty that was not audible ( once saw a 140 grain bullet go through a Roe hit something in the ground then it carried on raising a roostertail of water up off the the heavy dew on the grass ) It was just low enough to raise that dew and it taught me why we need to know the background is very clear of things you dont want to kill. " The silent ones are more deadly" principle lets say
hybridfiat
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My instinct says NO.
The 22LR simply doesn't carry enough energy to disintegrate on contact with anything other than (head on into) a solid block of steel.
My 40gn Nosler .223s on the other hand will fly apart if a twig gets in the way.
The 22LR simply doesn't carry enough energy to disintegrate on contact with anything other than (head on into) a solid block of steel.
My 40gn Nosler .223s on the other hand will fly apart if a twig gets in the way.
As I've said before, I have had three exit wounds on a couple of occasions, so it's possible that a bone was struck on entry.
Re your .223, have you fired through 3 or 4 boards with gaps between? Be interesting to try. Difficult to tell whether your bullet fractures or is deflected hitting a twig, after all, you can't actually see it.
Assumptions that are based on guesses are very dodgy when it comes to firearms . a 40 grain bullet from a 223 carries a heck of a lot more energy than a 22 lr ! A hmr carries more energy than a 22LR ! Bullets can be somewhat un- predictable in terminal performance ( especially if unseen objects are encountered on the flight path ) . Besides looking over an area regards safe backdrop with a clear area around and behind the target ( which should be everyone's first step) one should not really ever consider possible bullet break up as a likely or a given event with any bullet ( besides perhaps the old clay lead mix that used to be common on fairgrounds shooting stands but those have no real market today and would not be any good for killing ) . Folks think 22 LR is bouncy because you can often hear the" Zing !" That is a very unbalanced squished up randomly lump is traveling well below the sonic barrier . The fall down range wont be very far away ! The silent ones though are far more deadly though ( like farts lol ) and that's how the majority of of 223 rem with 40 grain bullets will end up ( quiet and deadly ) a bit of wood or a twig in the way is very ,very unlikely to arrest that flight path of the bullet but it may change the flightpath but again might not ( great unpredictability really) . Heck if a thin branch can stop a 223 with a 40 grain bullet , we really dont want to be using them on foxes and the legal culling of the smaller species of deer with just ten grains more !
Wasn't going to say anything more on this thread - but its just too dangerous to leave some of these crazy dangerous ricochet theories unchallenged / corrected for all to read . It really makes me think we should have compulsory training before someone gets to wander off to the gunshop with a crisp new FAC in hand ink of their first ticket still drying off . Even in America there are compulsory " hunter safety " programs yet here ? you might be told to sit DSC1 or get a named mentor ( the mentor though is normally stated as " someone with an FAC " ) No check on their competence or even their attendance in some cases !
Wasn't going to say anything more on this thread - but its just too dangerous to leave some of these crazy dangerous ricochet theories unchallenged / corrected for all to read . It really makes me think we should have compulsory training before someone gets to wander off to the gunshop with a crisp new FAC in hand ink of their first ticket still drying off . Even in America there are compulsory " hunter safety " programs yet here ? you might be told to sit DSC1 or get a named mentor ( the mentor though is normally stated as " someone with an FAC " ) No check on their competence or even their attendance in some cases !
The 'zing' of a .22 rimfire bullet ricochet has never really instilled in me any real concern, personally. As others have said its energy is pretty much spent, although I wouldn't particularly want one in the leg! What concerns me far more is the potential of a bullet skidding off wet grass on flat ground. Just be aware of the potential risk, maintain safe practice, and all will no doubt be well
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