With respect the land is not restricted, you are. This is not a comment on your abilities or safety, but on the licensing process, whether it is logical or not is another matter.
Open Ticket With Authority To Shoot on un Police Verified Land
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Overlay
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I always enquire via the landowner on any restrictions a said previously if a person has land on a say closed ticket and then moves away, was the restrictions put on for his status or safety by the police or with the landowner - best to just ask and find out
Some areas i work (shoot & trap)on every year i draw up a new RAMS for a site using google maps and as well as a pre start work, walk around each time i visit and have to send it off for approval by the H&S dept prior to commencement, to be honest its old rope for me and it just gets done and upgraded as required each time your on a refresh so its all good, everything on the paperwork you do anyway.
Shooting on private ground changes, the paperwork the hard copy is I guess for the ever growing tick box empire we all have to endure these days
Overall just check and enjoy the time
Swedish
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An open ticket means that it's your responsibility to decide. I think you're just making a rod for your own back.I always enquire via the landowner on any restrictions a said previously if a person has land on a say closed ticket and then moves away, was the restrictions put on for his status or safety by the police or with the landowner - best to just ask and find out
Some areas i work (shoot & trap)on every year i draw up a new RAMS for a site using google maps and as well as a pre start work, walk around each time i visit and have to send it off for approval by the H&S dept prior to commencement, to be honest its old rope for me and it just gets done and upgraded as required each time your on a refresh so its all good, everything on the paperwork you do anyway.
Shooting on private ground changes, the paperwork the hard copy is I guess for the ever growing tick box empire we all have to endure these days
Overall just check and enjoy the time
hedge hunter
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The restrictions was put on for the particular shooter, otherwise there would be no such things (or point) as 'open tickets'.I always enquire via the landowner on any restrictions a said previously if a person has land on a say closed ticket and then moves away, was the restrictions put on for his status or safety by the police or with the landowner - best to just ask and find out
Some areas i work (shoot & trap)on every year i draw up a new RAMS for a site using google maps and as well as a pre start work, walk around each time i visit and have to send it off for approval by the H&S dept prior to commencement, to be honest its old rope for me and it just gets done and upgraded as required each time your on a refresh so its all good, everything on the paperwork you do anyway.
Shooting on private ground changes, the paperwork the hard copy is I guess for the ever growing tick box empire we all have to endure these days
Overall just check and enjoy the time
Licence the person not topography.
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None of my land is cleared for more than .22 WMR/.17 HMR or .22 LR for one 1200 acre farm.Thought provoking answers
Its up to the individual how they portray themselves, if your going to shoot over a piece of ground temporary or full time, the onus is on you to be lawful in discharging a firearm or other safety or environmental issues on the the land. No one else apart from the landowner
If you can’t be bothered and then there is an incident, that would come I guess to the front very quickly on an investigation all channeled against the firearms user and or the owner due to non compliance to discharge a certain calibre outside the known restriction
For most it isn’t a problem on land but it is out there and as the green land steadily changes to concrete, it will increase without a doubt, checking on new ground should be on everyones to do list
It may rub salt in some people wounds, but why wouldn’t you do it ???
No one likes restrictions and red tape but things move on everyone needs to be seen to be doing theb right thing nowadays
ACE Arse covering exercise is really a need to do in these changing times.
Get your own check list together it takes 5 mins and a couple of e mails, go shooting with a smile
Should I stop shooting my centrefires there? (Bearing in mind I’ve just been granted 300 PRC for shooting deer on said land)
It’s not put on the particular shooter, it is on any shooter with a closed certificate. It does not apply to people without territorial restrictions on their certificate.
Overlay
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I would think you've answered that question yourself 25 sharps.
Every piece of ground should be judged on its own merits as should calibres
But, though I may have misunderstood, in your post I was quoting from muse preceding post (#7) you were saying that clearance for a particular calibre on a particular piece of land meant the land was then restricted to that calibre or smaller.
Had I misunderstood?
baguio
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WTF are you posting on this thread? Have you been on the funny stuff or something? I only posted yesterday that I read utter garbage on here on a daily basis and then, as if to prove my point, you start posting garbage on here.I always enquire via the landowner on any restrictions a said previously if a person has land on a say closed ticket and then moves away, was the restrictions put on for his status or safety by the police or with the landowner - best to just ask and find out
Some areas i work (shoot & trap)on every year i draw up a new RAMS for a site using google maps and as well as a pre start work, walk around each time i visit and have to send it off for approval by the H&S dept prior to commencement, to be honest its old rope for me and it just gets done and upgraded as required each time your on a refresh so its all good, everything on the paperwork you do anyway.
Shooting on private ground changes, the paperwork the hard copy is I guess for the ever growing tick box empire we all have to endure these days
Overall just check and enjoy the time
Give me strength!
Overlay
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Ground i have permission on is restricted by the police to 12ftlb air rifle and or 22 rimfire that is it for the ground whether that is in conjunction with owner I can’t confirm that as I got the police land copy and survey with the report and recommendations that is for the land
Another is high seats and a ceiling on caliber - it works again no big deal
When you assess the ground and they are only small bits, common sense says yep ok thats about right that will do, it's probably the same as i would assess it as well, so no big deal
But on the other hand I've had one or two discussions as to suitability on a clearance you can get over caution from the police or landowner get these mixed in together and mayhem can occur for the person actually squeezing the trigger Logic and sense is the key with truthful appraisal
I have these sorted all clear and understood whatever you want to do is up to you its beveryones call becauseb its your ticket nom one else
They don’t have the power to do that under the firearms act. I have an open ticket, if I choose to shoot my 300 on an area they have restricted, provided I do so safely, there’s naff all they can do about it. You mention the word recommendation above, which is not the same as restriction.
Are you on a closed ticket?
I always took you as an experienced shooter with an open ticket so don’t understand why you are checking pieces of land in the first place.
My first deer permission was 12 acres cleared for .22 WMR for fox control. When I got deer permission and applied for 6.5x55 FEO said, “no issue, we’ll just open your ticket, if you can shoot safely with a WMR you can shoot safely with anything.” I.e. he wasn’t about to clear the land for anything bigger but he was more than happy I could shoot there safely with a deer calibre.
Sounds like your lot are making it up and being unnecessarily restrictive. Unless of course you are on a closed certificate through lack of experience.
Overlay
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No garbage here Bagio
Just because you don't have to do anything re your shooting your very lucky if that’s the case for others its different
I only put on here what i have had to do, or been presented with.
I couldn’t care two monkeys how anyone goes about their shooting or permissions or safety
I only put on here what I have found and completed as it might help someone
One thing for sure any contribution from me won’t happen again i promise you 100% How’s that
All fact no fiction
But are you on a closed or open certificate?No garbage here Bagio
Just because you don't have to do anything re your shooting your very lucky if that’s the case for others its different
I only put on here what i have had to do, or been presented with.
I couldn’t care two monkeys how anyone goes about their shooting or permissions or safety
I only put on here what I have found and completed as it might help someone
One thing for sure any contribution from me won’t happen again i promise you 100% How’s that
All fact no fiction
Anyone on an open certificate (like the OP) categorically does not need to check land clearance, nor abide by any calibre clearance on that land, it really is as simple as that!
Thats a fair point, however the point remains is is on the shooter/s i.e. a person not the land.
Well sort of, the land is restricted for anyone with a closed certificate so the land is restricted in conjunction with the shooter’s closed condition.
If it floats your boat to see it that way then feel free, but i can wander onto it with my open ticket and shoot (assuming the land/rights owner gives me permission) any calibre for which i have no restrictions.
As an aside, apparently Essex hold a list of land they have 'cleared' and the calibres they have applied i was told this by a local RFD which makes sense (at least form their perspective). AFAIK this is not available to those holding FAC .
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