Closed Or Open?

[ColBaldr]

Recently put in for a variation to get an open ticket. When I got my new licnese back the condition wording had changed and seems like there are some strange sentence structures going on. Contacted the licensing team who told me in writing it is an open ticket. Later the same day I called up to check something and they said I have a closed ticket. So which is it?

My condition states "The firearms shall be used for shooting vermin including fox, and ground game and any other lawful quarry, and for zeroing-practice on ranges, or ranges, on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot."

The "on ranges, or ranges," part makes it seem like ranges on land deemed suitable?

 

[nf-fuse]

Closed

'land deemed suitable ' is the closed phrase

 

[ColBaldr]

Closed

'land deemed suitable ' is the closed phrase

Just strange that my FEO told me I have an open ticket

 

[VSS]

Recently put in for a variation to get an open ticket. When I got my new licnese back the condition wording had changed and seems like there are some strange sentence structures going on. Contacted the licensing team who told me in writing it is an open ticket. Later the same day I called up to check something and they said I have a closed ticket. So which is it?

My condition states "The firearms except the .38/.357 Rifle, .38/.357 Sound Moderator and ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin including fox, and ground game and any other lawful quarry, and for zeroing-practice on ranges, or ranges, on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot."

The "on ranges, or ranges," part makes it seem like ranges on land deemed suitable?

If it contains the words "...by the Chief Officer of Police...." then it's closed.

 

[nf-fuse]

Sounds like you need to go back to them and get it done properly if they're agreeing to you being open.

As your license states at the moment it you go shooting on new ground or it hasn't been deemed suitable by the big cheese in the police therefore you're outside your conditions.

If they told you in writing you have an open ticket I don't see that they have a leg to stand on.

 

[User00056]

It may be that whoever wrote out your ticket for printing got the terminology mixed up? The phrase you want to keep is 'land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot.'

 

[M@tt]

Closed is when the condition states a named piece of land, such as "... on Home Farm...".- I think this has been dropped in the latest Guidance, I had it on my first FAC.
A semi-closed (still closed in many eyes) is when it can be any piece of land as long as it has been cleared, as in the wording in the OP.
Open will just say any land you have permission/authority to shoot over, usually with an add-on about safety and insurance.

 

[Tim.243]

Recently put in for a variation to get an open ticket. When I got my new licnese back the condition wording had changed and seems like there are some strange sentence structures going on. Contacted the licensing team who told me in writing it is an open ticket. Later the same day I called up to check something and they said I have a closed ticket. So which is it?

My condition states "The firearms shall be used for shooting vermin including fox, and ground game and any other lawful quarry, and for zeroing-practice on ranges, or ranges, on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot."

The "on ranges, or ranges," part makes it seem like ranges on land deemed suitable?

Closed, omit the chief officer of police part then open

 

[Tim1]

Just strange that my FEO told me I have an open ticket

In my experience, firearms staff are generally clueless.

T

 

[ColBaldr]

Called them up again and they said to send my ticket back and they will open it up.

 

[25 Sharps]

Closed is when the condition states a named piece of land, such as "... on Home Farm...".- I think this has been dropped in the latest Guidance, I had it on my first FAC.
A semi-closed (still closed in many eyes) is when it can be any piece of land as long as it has been cleared, as in the wording in the OP.
Open will just say any land you have permission/authority to shoot over, usually with an add-on about safety and insurance.

‘Closed’ is not a legally defined term but generally it is applied when you have to get land cleared by the police, as the OP’s certificate.

“on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot."

This is covered in a sticky at the head of this section to avoid people asking the question unnecessarily.

The insurance ‘add on’ is applied for target shooting and it is referring to the range being insured, not the shooter.

 

[SimpleSimon]

There is no closed, semi-closed, or open ticket in the eyes of firearms licencing. Whilst it might be a phrase they usually understand, it's not one they use. You can have different conditions applied to different firearms on your certificate.
If you want an "open" ticket, you need to ask them to remove your territorial restrictions.

Seems to me the second "ranges" on the OP's is a typo. The condition should say "... on ranges, or on land..."

 

[Araes]

I'm experiencing a similar issue.

My license currently says this: "The firearms and ammunition shall be used for shooting deer and any other lawful quarry, subject to the suitablity of the calibre, and for zeroing on ranges on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot"

I was told today in my renewal meeting that i have an open ticket but this seems closed?

What do you guys think?

 

[palmer_mike]

I'm experiencing a similar issue.

My license currently says this: "The firearms and ammunition shall be used for shooting deer and any other lawful quarry, subject to the suitablity of the calibre, and for zeroing on ranges on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot"

I was told today in my renewal meeting that i have an open ticket but this seems closed?

What do you guys think?

Closed.