Antlers to beat all antlers

[S2sosmart]

Went to Knole Park at the weekend and stood under these bad boys. Apparently found in Ireland in a bog.
Elk, head is set to the right height for the beast and I’m 6’2” wouldn’t have fancied dragging that one out back in the day.

Si

 

[JoJo15]

Here's another Bog Deer !!

 

[Sol]

There cool deer for sure you can even buy the fossilized antlers of them too unlike other animals deer have that nice benefit of dropping antlers every year in spots typically they wouldn't die, like marshes and beat pogs it makes for some really well preserved antler bits.


Sinomegaceros is another cool extinct deer species It died out a bit before Irish elk, they have a few sub species in there class too, imagine that on your wall!




Praemegaceros keeps the typical "deer" shape more inline with what we know, looking more like a fallow we know.

I think a lot of these extinct species are suspected to be fallow (dama) relations?

 

[Cranhill]

The was some "Bog Heads" found Jaywick during the early part of last century. I don't know what happened to them.

 

[Neddle]

Irish Elk boys,not deer

 

[Sol]

Elk Is a bastardized word, It came from colonizers from Sweden back home the moose was called älg by the time colonization started to happen the "moose" was already being called, elg the modern spelling for moose.
Eventually the English coined that term into Elk.

But regardless once the sweeds got to the Americas, The American Wapiti was given this name and eventually the Alg was coined the moose instead in English.

TLDR: Moose and elk are deer, buuuuut. we call them entirely different names because language history.

 

[Keith Edmunds]

The was some "Bog Heads" found Jaywick during the early part of last century. I don't know what happened to them.

There's a joke there somewhere....but just in case someone on the site is from Jaywick......I'll refrain

 

[Cranhill]

There's a joke there somewhere....but just in case someone on the site is from Jaywick......I'll refrain

Keith and All
I've just checked, with Fallow Deer by Donald and Norma Chapman, published 1975 "The best known fossil fallow at once showing very close similarities to present day European fallow was the Clacton deer from the early second Interglacial (or Hoxnian) period some 250,000 years ago, found in 1860s and at various times known as Cervus clactonianus, Cervus browni but since 1937 Dama clactoniana. / A second set of matching and almost complete skull and antlers were found in Swancombe in Kent"

So apologises to all for giving incorrect date (about 60yrs out) and may be the location as Jaywick is next-door Clacton?

 

[VSS]

Keith and All
I've just checked, with Fallow Deer by Donald and Norma Chapman, published 1975 "The best known fossil fallow at once showing very close similarities to present day European fallow was the Clacton deer from the early second Interglacial (or Hoxnian) period some 250,000 years ago, found in 1860s and at various times known as Cervus clactonianus, Cervus browni but since 1937 Dama clactoniana. / A second set of matching and almost complete skull and antlers were found in Swancombe in Kent"

So apologises to all for giving incorrect date (about 60yrs out) and may be the location as Jaywick is next-door Clacton?

I think you were correct about the location. I believe the Clacton fallow was actually unearthed at nearby Jaywick.

As for present-day "bog heads" at Jaywick, well that's another story altogether....
Ever been there?

 

[Keith Edmunds]

Keith and All
I've just checked, with Fallow Deer by Donald and Norma Chapman, published 1975 "The best known fossil fallow at once showing very close similarities to present day European fallow was the Clacton deer from the early second Interglacial (or Hoxnian) period some 250,000 years ago, found in 1860s and at various times known as Cervus clactonianus, Cervus browni but since 1937 Dama clactoniana. / A second set of matching and almost complete skull and antlers were found in Swancombe in Kent"

So apologises to all for giving incorrect date (about 60yrs out) and may be the location as Jaywick is next-door Clacton?

Sorry Cranhill, as a life-long East-Anglian, we tend to grow-up with a lot of Jaywick jokes. Ignore me

 

[Cranhill]

Sorry Cranhill, as a life-long East-Anglian, we tend to grow-up with a lot of Jaywick jokes. Ignore me

Keith
No offence taken, I enjoy your replys and comments. I did actually live in East Anglia for a few years, it's lovely countryside and I ran the Three Jays for a couple of years!

 

[Cranhill]

I think you were correct about the location. I believe the Clacton fallow was actually unearthed at nearby Jaywick.

As for present-day "bog heads" at Jaywick, well that's another story altogether....
Ever been there?

Re The location of the find of the Dama Clactoniana, I thought I read it was Jaywick but I couldn't any find the reference / book.

 

[VSS]

Re The location of the find of the Dama Clactoniana, I thought I read it was Jaywick but I couldn't any find the reference / book.

Is it not in Chapman's book?

 

[Cranhill]

Is it not in Chapman's book?

I thought it was but couldn't find the reference.