Wild red gold medal
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Stalker62
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Red Deer
(Cervus elaphus)
The Trophy
Red Deer are recorded by the CIC as species Cervus Elephus of which there are eight recognised sub-species. UK trophies are recorded as Scottish Red Deer (Cervus Elaphus Scoticus) or for English Red Deer with their historical links to park herds, Red Deer introduced (Cervus Elaphus Hippelaphus). A typical Red Deer trophy consists of Brow, Bay and Tray tines on both antlers with any tine above these being counted as part of the crown. Scottish Red Deer trophies will typically exhibit 8-14 point antlers depending on location and feeding, with their lowland relations achieving much larger heads, typically of 12-20 points.All forms of antler structure can be assessed although missing tines are likely to result in lower scores.
English Red Stag
Scottish Red StagKey Features For Measuring Antlers
- To achieve bronze medal status, Scottish Red Deer trophies should have a dry weight of around 4.7 Kg as a full skull, an average main beam length of around 85 cm, and 14 antler tines.
- To achieve bronze medal status, English or lowland Red stag trophies should be presented as a full skull with a dry weight of around 6.5 Kg, an average main beam length of around 90 cm, and 12 to 14 antler tines.
- Scottish, English or lowland Red Deer antlers must have a dry out period (after preparation) of at least 30 days before evaluation.
Trophy Points Required
| Phenotype | Bronze | Silver | Gold |
| Swedish Red Deer | 160 | 170 | 180 |
| Norwegian Red Deer | 160 | 170 | 180 |
| Central European Red Deer | 170 | 190 | 210 |
| Carpathian Red Deer | 170 | 190 | 210 |
| Scottish Red Deer | 160 | 170 | 180 |
| Spanish/Iberian Red Deer | 160 | 170 | 180 |
| Corsican Red Deer | 160 | 170 | 180 |
| North African Red Deer | 160 | 170 | 180 |
| Red Deer (introduced) | 170 | 190 | 210 |
Weight Deduction
| Cut | Deduction |
| Full skull | - 0.70 Kg |
| Long nose | - 0.50 Kg |
| Short nose | Nil |
| Skull cap | Nil |
173.21 CIC
terrier1
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Or buck
Stalker62
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Or any deer.
deerstalker.308
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recognise that stag, shot by a friend off my ground some years back now. @shotguntom unless I’m mistaken..?Red Deer
(Cervus elaphus)
The Trophy
Red Deer are recorded by the CIC as species Cervus Elephus of which there are eight recognised sub-species. UK trophies are recorded as Scottish Red Deer (Cervus Elaphus Scoticus) or for English Red Deer with their historical links to park herds, Red Deer introduced (Cervus Elaphus Hippelaphus). A typical Red Deer trophy consists of Brow, Bay and Tray tines on both antlers with any tine above these being counted as part of the crown. Scottish Red Deer trophies will typically exhibit 8-14 point antlers depending on location and feeding, with their lowland relations achieving much larger heads, typically of 12-20 points.
All forms of antler structure can be assessed although missing tines are likely to result in lower scores.
Key Features For Measuring Antlers
- To achieve bronze medal status, Scottish Red Deer trophies should have a dry weight of around 4.7 Kg as a full skull, an average main beam length of around 85 cm, and 14 antler tines.
- To achieve bronze medal status, English or lowland Red stag trophies should be presented as a full skull with a dry weight of around 6.5 Kg, an average main beam length of around 90 cm, and 12 to 14 antler tines.
- Scottish, English or lowland Red Deer antlers must have a dry out period (after preparation) of at least 30 days before evaluation.
Trophy Points Required
Phenotype Bronze Silver Gold Swedish Red Deer 160 170 180 Norwegian Red Deer 160 170 180 Central European Red Deer 170 190 210 Carpathian Red Deer 170 190 210 Scottish Red Deer 160 170 180 Spanish/Iberian Red Deer 160 170 180 Corsican Red Deer 160 170 180 North African Red Deer 160 170 180 Red Deer (introduced) 170 190 210 Weight Deduction
Cut Deduction Full skull - 0.70 Kg Long nose - 0.50 Kg Short nose Nil Skull cap Nil
As detailed above, weight, length of main beams, circumference, number of tines, crown, beauty points for pearling etc, there is no simple answer. But fundamentally any medal stag will need a baseline weight above a threshold, depending on if/how they’re cut. I’ve got a short nose bronze medal which weighed 5.4kg cut, vs full skull high silvers at closer to 9kg if memory serves me without checking the score sheets. Yet to meet a gold medal in the flesh…. Come close by 2 cic points but no cigar as yet.
deerstalker.308
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So to correct my previous post, image 4959 is the closest I’ve come to a gold, it scored 204.35, with 210 being the baseline for gold. What’s interesting is the other head, very odd, extra lower tine, brow bey trey and quatro…. They shouldn’t have that, and certainly not symmetrically! But despite looking heavier he was 7.03kg (also scored silver but with 198.57 points) vs the wither one which whilst appearing smaller, weight more than a full kg more.
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shotguntom
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It is indeed that very stag. An adventure firmly imbedded in my memory.
baguio
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And the English left bey tine is all but missing.
NickJ
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There are two services and their criteria are very similar:
basc.org.uk
CiC are internationally recognised. Beyond that people tend to use who has a measurer nearest to them/if they are BASC members (not charge for their service), from Wrexham you will be nearest to:
Meet the Team - Anthony Jones at Eaton Hall near Chester
Deer management - James Sutcliffe, BASC Deer Officer or someone else near their Head Office very near you
Head measuring
BASC offers our fantastic head measuring service in partnership with the British Deer Society and Shooting Times magazine.
basc.org.uk
CiC are internationally recognised. Beyond that people tend to use who has a measurer nearest to them/if they are BASC members (not charge for their service), from Wrexham you will be nearest to:
Meet the Team - Anthony Jones at Eaton Hall near Chester
Deer management - James Sutcliffe, BASC Deer Officer or someone else near their Head Office very near you
David Barker
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I am sure that head made 214 CIC points and was measured by the Late Richard prior. This was a remeasured after the bush ware chap made a big error in the measuring. He measured it at 219.
baguio
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It huge for sure. I assume those numbers make it a Gold?
Medal Stags that are not fed by the land or lease owner are very rare things in the uk . They can of course exist in reasonable numbers if fenced in and fed
deerstalker.308
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Debatable
Sheamus
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It surprises me that anyone remembers that head going by that picture I posted?
I've seen several more of that size over the 10 years or so on the same ground.
looking at the UK and no dilution by hybridised park deer and not fed they are very much rarer than all our other uk deer when it comes to getting a true wild born none fed male . Imperials have been shot on Aran scheme of course . The red stag Gold unfed and not translocated must surely be the hardest to get ?
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