Wild red gold medal

[Pete6.5]

A gold red is the hardest of all the species by far

 

[deerstalker.308]

looking at the UK and no dilution by hybridised park deer and not fed they are very much rarer than all our other uk deer when it comes to getting a true wild born none fed male . Imperials have been shot on Aran scheme of course . The red stag Gold unfed and not translocated must surely be the hardest to get ?

Gold yes, but medal no, which was your statement I questioned as being debatable.

 

[VSS]

Is there a measurement category for park deer, in the same way as reds can be divided into highland (Scottish) or lowland for scoring purposes?

 

[deerstalker.308]

Is there a measurement category for park deer, in the same way as reds can be divided into highland (Scottish) or lowland for scoring purposes?

Yes, if you look at the top left of the scoring sheet there are tick boxes for wild free range, fenced, found dead

 

[VSS]

Yes, if you look at the top left of the scoring sheet there are tick boxes for wild free range, fenced, found dead

Thank you

 

[David Barker]

It huge for sure. I assume those numbers make it a Gold?

Yes mate it was gold RP took it and got it assessed to make sure it was wild. The beams were massive and it took a few of us to get it to its resting place.

 

[David Barker]

It surprises me that anyone remembers that head going by that picture I posted?
I've seen several more of that size over the 10 years or so on the same ground.

It would be hard to forget when the chap who took it was down to shoot Munty,s OMG Needs to go to spec saver,s

 

[ASl sniper.177]

Personal,I prefer the classical Red deer head. I'm not a fan of loads of tray tines. I once saw a massive red stag head from the park at Woburn,it was hideous. Apparently,some American payed £35,000 to shoot one such stag. Turned up in a helicopter,shot the stag,had his photo taken and departed. There are even more hideous red stag heads in New Zealand. So much so,the poor things can't fully lift their head because of the weight of antler growth. You can't beat a fully wild woodland stag for size and shape. Just my personal opinion.

 

[deerstalker.308]

Personal,I prefer the classical Red deer head. I'm not a fan of loads of tray tines. I once saw a massive red stag head from the park at Woburn,it was hideous. Apparently,some American payed £35,000 to shoot one such stag. Turned up in a helicopter,shot the stag,had his photo taken and departed. There are even more hideous red stag heads in New Zealand. So much so,the poor things can't fully lift their head because of the weight of antler growth. You can't beat a fully wild woodland stag for size and shape. Just my personal opinion.

I believe all those pictured thus far in this thread (and certainly the ones by me) are all truly wild beasts, granted beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there is something magical about a classic 12 pointer, but much like in enjoy malform roe, I see examples like the other one with the extra set of tines and an interesting anomaly, totally agree though about the park genes and the wapati crosses and manipulation you get down under, same goes for some of the heavily manipulated white tailed and mules in the US, they just look hideous.

 

[Pete6.5]

I believe all those pictured thus far in this thread (and certainly the ones by me) are all truly wild beasts, granted beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there is something magical about a classic 12 pointer, but much like in enjoy malform roe, I see examples like the other one with the extra set of tines and an interesting anomaly, totally agree though about the park genes and the wapati crosses and manipulation you get down under, same goes for some of the heavily manipulated white tailed and mules in the US, they just look hideous.

Your stags may be born and raised in the wild but they have park deer genetics in them.

 

[ASl sniper.177]

Your stags may be born and raised in the wild but they have park deer genetics in them.

There is a cross over point when it comes to antler growth. A really good Scottish hill stag would probably be quite exceptional in a woodland environment. Breeding for genetics in a closely controlled environment isn't representative of any species of animal. It's only pandering to a small minority of people who want to have better than the next person. Just my two pence worth.

 

[Sheamus]

Any Americans on here with a spare 70k. I can chuck in a helicopter landing area..
Sorry about the phone camera quality

 

[ASl sniper.177]

Any Americans on here with a spare 70k. I can chuck in a helicopter landing area..
Sorry about the phone camera quality

Perfectly nice red deer stags,which anyone would be happy to have hung on their wall. The Woburn stags are far removed from what you've posted.

 

[Ratel]

I believe all those pictured thus far in this thread (and certainly the ones by me) are all truly wild beasts, granted beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there is something magical about a classic 12 pointer, but much like in enjoy malform roe, I see examples like the other one with the extra set of tines and an interesting anomaly, totally agree though about the park genes and the wapati crosses and manipulation you get down under, same goes for some of the heavily manipulated white tailed and mules in the US, they just look hideous.

Any Americans on here with a spare 70k. I can chuck in a helicopter landing area..
Sorry about the phone camera quality

Are these stags in South staffs? If so they would probably have emanated from Beaudesert park originally. There are some amazing beasts in the area.

 

[deerstalker.308]

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[deerstalker.308]

Are these stags in South staffs? If so they would probably have emanated from Beaudesert park originally. There are some amazing beasts in the area.

Mine are all Suffolk beasts

 

[VSS]

Your stags may be born and raised in the wild but they have park deer genetics in them.

And the park deer all originated from wild stock. So it's no big deal.

 

[Cranhill]

There are nice stags on Arran.

 

[Pete6.5]

And the park deer all originated from wild stock. So it's no big deal.

It's no big deal the reds near me are from park stock but they are much bigger than older wild stock.

 

[Pete6.5]

If the original stock makes no difference why are the Suffolk/Norfolk reds great and the roe rubbish? If it was local wild conditions that dictated it they would both be good or bad.