More reasons not to support McDonald’s.

[NullMac]

Education is the key

Ah the patronising middle classes.

If only these stupid fools knew how to behave their lives would be so much better.

We have had vast amounts of that **** over the years. Prison rehabilitation being a great example.

Education had never worked as people don’t want to be educated.

You need to start a social movement - like veganism.

 

[Twodogs]

In post #20 I referred to a much venerated publication. Reference to, and understanding of such, would lead to a greater understanding of many of the wider issues around the ultra processed food industry and its impact on societies around the world.

 

[Apthorpe]

And evidence shows that the attitudes expressed above does nothing to stop it from happening.

Evidence also shows that people do not make rational choices about their own health.

Education is the key not ridicule and name calling.

That latter approach has, if anything, proven even less successful than telling fat slobs to get a grip.

"Educating the less intelligent" is a delusional idea. By definition, this group has already proven education to be ineffective. Everybody in the country has been educated about this.
More education is not going to prevent them from being idle, fat slobs. At best, they have too much money.
Society does not have an infinite responsibility to keep wasting resources on people like this.

 

[Mountain Bug]

I had two bacon egg/cheese biscuits from McDonald's this morning for breakfast. Mmmmm, Delicious! Quite a treat when you live far from town. Just sayin'

Scott

 

[big ears]

No, stop this nanny state woke ideology, it’s not down to the state to manage people’s daily lives, decent people take responsibility for there decisions whilst many people would rather try and blame anyone or any organisation for their own failures rather than take responsibility themselves.

You are right it’s not the states responsibility it is all of our responsibility.
Standing there with a “holier than thou” attitude and criticising those who may not know better is wrong.
Do something positive rather than ranting all the time. Support and help people. Be kind even. You never know you might like it.

 

[plonker]

You are right it’s not the states responsibility it is all of our responsibility.
Standing there with a “holier than thou” attitude and criticising those who may not know better is wrong.
Do something positive rather than ranting all the time. Support and help people. Be kind even. You never know you might like it.

The idea that in 2024 you think there are people out there who don't know that junk food is unhealthy is staggering!!

 

[Cumbrian 1]

You are right it’s not the states responsibility it is all of our responsibility.
Standing there with a “holier than thou” attitude and criticising those who may not know better is wrong.
Do something positive rather than ranting all the time. Support and help people. Be kind even. You never know you might like it.

Views of a weak person.

You are incorrect it is the individual’s responsibility, if we all took responsibility for our own decisions then society would be better place.

 

[sauer]

Read Dr Chris Van Tulkens
Book ultra processed people
Or listen to podcast ….
Bit of a stop and make you think moment ….
Ultra processed foods / UPF’s
Now kill more folk than tobacco … worlds no1 killer
And the Same tobacco companies are now the same food companies but with decades of marketing and billions £££ at their disposal

We are at same point with said companies over UPF now as we were with tobacco companies in early 80’s

Yes there is an element of personal responsibility but go buy any food now and look at label …..

Whole food diets not as easy or convienent as you think

Paul

 

[tackb]

if i fancy a mcdonalds or any other kind of food i will have it , if i don't i won't !

entirely my choice since nobody could or would be able to force me to eat it and by the same token entirely my responsibility what i eat

it's yet another thing the state has no business being involved in

i have been around 53 years now and have seen many foods be the best thing since sliced bread then suddenly demonized by 'experts' it all goes in the same bin as the climate change nonsense !

i'll have £100 bet with anyone that we will never be able to tax the country into better health !

release the sausages !

 

[Taff]

Read Dr Chris Van Tulkens
Book ultra processed people
Or listen to podcast ….
Bit of a stop and make you think moment ….
Ultra processed foods / UPF’s
Now kill more folk than tobacco … worlds no1 killer
And the Same tobacco companies are now the same food companies but with decades of marketing and billions £££ at their disposal

We are at same point with said companies over UPF now as we were with tobacco companies in early 80’s

Yes there is an element of personal responsibility but go buy any food now and look at label …..

Whole food diets not as easy or convienent as you think

Paul

All foods can kill you, there again eating no food can kill you as well. Years ago you had no idea what was in your food, take the humble sausage or pie, god knows what went into them sometimes.

 

[GlennUK]

Sadly, this country has moved well beyond the politics of personal responsibility into the lard-clad realms of socialism and state nannying.

From a public health perspective, there's a lot to be said for making access to the NHS dependent on keeping reasonably healthy. The problem is that it would never work because the doctors would systematically subvert the law.

and have few, if any clients!!!

 

[GlennUK]

FWIIW my understanding about the food industry (at least large portions of it) produce food which is in effect 'addictive', and specifically designed to encourage humans to crave it.

This does not mean that individuals should not take responsibility for their own health, just that the solution to poor dietary health is far from simple.

 

[slider]

When a company uses the term ‘100% prime beef’ to describe mechanically recovered meat because there is no legal definition of ‘prime beef’, then I’m out.

McDonald's use fore quarters from prime British cattle. All less than 30 months, no old knackered cows.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Sugar or other sweeteners seem to be in most foods bought as processed plastic packed nowadays. To up the taste I suppose.

 

[Apthorpe]

FWIIW my understanding about the food industry (at least large portions of it) produce food which is in effect 'addictive', and specifically designed to encourage humans to crave it.

That rather spurious line of argument makes every half-way competent cook or chef effectively a drug peddler. Food is not addictive. The behaviour of eating too much or too much of the wrong thing is - this is not something which the food industry sells. They sell individual items of food which, of course, are designed to taste good. This is not sinister, it is exactly how our grandparents and ancestors ate - they prepared food ingredients to make something tasty. There was never a time where we just ate handfuls of flour, or ate raw potatoes.

This does not mean that individuals should not take responsibility for their own health, just that the solution to poor dietary health is far from simple.

If you're presenting an argument which says that it's partly somebody else's thought, the direct effect of that argument is that individuals aren't completely responsible for their behaviour.

 

[Bo Diddley]

release the sausages !

The sausages are all held hostage ....

 

[Ratel]

All foods can kill you, there again eating no food can kill you as well. Years ago you had no idea what was in your food, take the humble sausage or pie, god knows what went into them sometimes.

As a butcher once told me, pies and sausages contain; earholes, eyeholes, arseholes, and still born calves.

 

[Freeforester]

And evidence shows that the attitudes expressed above does nothing to stop it from happening.
Education is the key not ridicule and name calling.

This is a good point.

Why then did you start this thread with misinformation, just as you started another thread with misinformation concerning the 'benefits' of m (as in modified) RNA injections - are you on a mission to rid society of the too trusting/hard of thinking, or those who delegate responsibility over their health and now dietary intake to others who may not have their best interests at heart? Just curious, do please clarify, thanks.

 

[GlennUK]

That rather spurious line of argument makes every half-way competent cook or chef effectively a drug peddler. Food is not addictive. The behaviour of eating too much or too much of the wrong thing is - this is not something which the food industry sells. They sell individual items of food which, of course, are designed to taste good. This is not sinister, it is exactly how our grandparents and ancestors ate - they prepared food ingredients to make something tasty. There was never a time where we just ate handfuls of flour, or ate raw potatoes.

If you're presenting an argument which says that it's partly somebody else's thought, the direct effect of that argument is that individuals aren't completely responsible for their behaviour

4. Ultraprocessed Food Is the Cause of NCDs​

Rather, the quality of the food is the cause. Ultraprocessed food, defined as industrial formulations typically with 5 or more ingredients [24], is the category of food that drives NCDs [25], such as obesity [26,27], diabetes [28], heart disease [29], and cancer [30]. In particular, added sugar (i.e., any fructose-containing sweetener; sucrose, high-fructose corn syrup, maple syrup, honey, agave) is the prevalent, insidious, and egregious component of ultraprocessed food that drives that risk.

In this article, using scientific and legal evidence, I will elaborate three related arguments. First, I will demonstrate that ultraprocessed food is addictive because of the sugar that is added to it, and that the food industry specifically adds sugar because of its addictive properties. Second, I will highlight the specific mechanisms by which sugar is toxic to the liver, which leads to NCDs. Lastly, I will argue that added sugar is more appropriately defined as a food additive rather than as a food. In so doing, I will argue that added sugar, and by extension the entire ultraprocessed food category, meets these criteria established by the public health community for regulation of a substance (abuse, toxicity, ubiquity, externalities) [9]. [my emphasis].

from here, i am sure there are others around

Ultraprocessed Food: Addictive, Toxic, and Ready for Regulation - PMC

Past public health crises (e.g., tobacco, alcohol, opioids, cholera, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), lead, pollution, venereal disease, even coronavirus (COVID-19) have been met with interventions targeted both at the individual and all of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Next youl'l tell me that cigarettes and alcohol are not addictive either!

 

[tackb]

Next youl'l tell me that cigarettes and alcohol are not addictive either!

not at all , they are obviously addictive! however , i firmly believe it is personal choice whether you use them or not and certainly nothing to do with the state!

we have way too much state intervention in our lives when it is patently obvious they do not care for the people of this nation it's all about themselves and what they can get.