LRF/NV Scope upgrade quandary

So, here is the problem: I have a thermal spotter without an LRF, and an Alpex gen 1 NV scope (so no LRF there either). Upgrading the thermal to an LRF version is way too expensive, but foxing on new ground is making an LRF quite necessary. It is up on the moors, so distance is difficult to judge at night and shooting range is rarely under 175m.
One option is to upgrade the Alpex to a 4k with LRF (£849) or look at the Arken Zulu with an LRF (£600), and sell the Gen 1 Alpex.
Another option is to get a standalone LRF to fit to the scope/rifle, but I am unsure how good these are or what to look for?

Has anyone got comparable knowledge of the new Alpex and the Zulu?

Is the screen definition noticeably better on the new Alpex than the old?

Or any other suggestion? I seem to be going round in circles on this. Not fussed about the ballistics calculator.

Thanks in advance for your help.
I had a similar quandary and ended up buying a set of HiK Habrok multi spectrum binos. The bottom of the range 25L's for just under £1200 - Ok thermal channel isnt as good as my Axion XQ38, but its good enough to ID species, 4K optical channel is amazing at first and last light, but not as good as glass in full daylight. Then you have NV mode, built in IR and LRF! I can live with the compromises!!!
Sold my Vortex LRF binos and got more than half my money back. If I sell the Axion I will get the rest.....
 
So to recap, I have had an ATN X Sight 5 5x-25x with built in LRF to try out now for quite a while. I also have an Alpex (1st Gen not 4k) and son has a C50. The ATN works very well, generally. No tech is without bugs, including both the Alpex and the C50 (and we have had problems with both and had to do firmware updates, and both have lost zero for no explainable reason).

One big plus for the ATN is that the manual is comprehensive and written in English, unlike the Alpex manual which is next to useless and unintelligible.

The resolution on the ATN is superb in daylight (in day mode or night mode) and dusk (in night mode) without an IR torch. After 'lights out' you will need a powerful IR as the one in the box is only good to 50m-75m at most. I have swapped to a PBIR, and the ATN works well up to 500m.

The mounts that come with the X Sight are fairly light weight so if putting it on a centre fire of a larger calibre than .17hmr I would be tempted to use beefier mounts.

The ballistic calculator works very well on the range, and the rangefinder is accurate. No issues with zeroing (no more fiddly that the Alpex or C50) and a stable reticule. When zeroing, I started on base mag, then fine tuned it on higher magnifications, and then test shot at all magnifications and the zero stayed good with no variation. The only issue that has come to light is that the rangefinder sometimes fails to function when you press the button, which means that if you are using the BC your reticle has adjusted zero to the last range check. If your target has moved since then your zero will be off until you manage to get the rangefinder to function again. As a result, I now don't use the BC when on live quarry.

Battery life is about three times what we get from the Alpex or C50.

Weight wise there are only grams in it, and the ATN is the lighter of the three, but we aren't talking much. It is however a much slimmer and lower profile than the other two. Screen is a good size and well laid out. Functionality is also good, but the buttons do take a bit of getting used to, and (more importantly) don't always work. The main issue I have had other than the LRF not always functioning is that the zoom tends to stick and refuse to move, and then jump to either full or base depending which direction you were trying to go, and if you zoom in on a target then switch on the BC or hit the menu button, the zoom goes straight to base mag (5x). At the start of an outing I now switch off the BC, set the mag to about 8x-10x and leave it at that. When you do zoom in, the pixilation is so much less than the Alpex, and also slightly better than the C50.

With regard to which is the best scope, the Alpex (gen 1, not the 4k) is perfectly usable and basic, and if you are not techy then fine. The ATN and the C50 are pretty much on a par with the ATN having slightly better screen quality, but the ATN is lighter, less bulky and much cheaper, and comes with a built in LRF and BC. The problems are that the buttons don't always work, or they malfunction. I am hoping that a firmware update can fix this? There are also several functions that I can't see a use for in the UK (like group hunting). I feel that ATN have tried to do 'Everything', and as a result some of the basic stuff doesn't work as it should.

The jury is still out, as there are elements of the X Sight 5 that I really like - (sensor, screen quality, reticule, LRF, zeroing), but other important bits that don't function quite right (zoom and LRF/BC). If they can be sorted then it will be an excellent scope.

Nice honest write up, 👍
Could I ask your opinion on a couple of things, firstly range finder and ballistic calculator i would never use, with the scope can you get a sharp focus and ID from the 5- 25 mag in distances from 30 to 120 yds as I’m looking to use one on a weihrauch 22 hornet with an external IR

Cheers
Phil

yds the 5-8 mag would suit me if the image is clear
 
Nice honest write up, 👍
Could I ask your opinion on a couple of things, firstly range finder and ballistic calculator i would never use, with the scope can you get a sharp focus and ID from the 5- 25 mag in distances from 30 to 120 yds as I’m looking to use one on a weihrauch 22 hornet with an external IR

Cheers
Phil

yds the 5-8 mag would suit me if the image is clear
We have the 3-15 X-Sight 5 non LRF on super discount at the moment - PM me if interested. But as discussed, they won't fit a Blaser saddlemount due to the control box size and ring spacing; but on a weihrauch you would have no problems of course.
 
Nice honest write up, 👍
Could I ask your opinion on a couple of things, firstly range finder and ballistic calculator i would never use, with the scope can you get a sharp focus and ID from the 5- 25 mag in distances from 30 to 120 yds as I’m looking to use one on a weihrauch 22 hornet with an external IR

Cheers
Phil

yds the 5-8 mag would suit me if the image is clear
I would say yes, you can. The sensor is obviously very good, and the screen resolution is excellent. Add to that the adjustable focus on the front end and sharp focus is not a problem up to 200m. The picture doesn't pixelate very much even at full mag. On one occasion I saw a moving heat source in the thermal but couldn't tell what it was at 200m. Had a look through the scope with the PBIR on full power, and could see it was clearly a badger and not a fox.

I also found the BC unnecessary. Probably fun if you are playing on a range, but the buggeration factor when out foxing wasn't worth it. The ATN adjusts/moves the reticule, rather than leaving the reticule as zeroed and providing an alternative aim point. When you then add in the LRF not always functioning when wanted it was too risky. That said, without the BC the LRF was easy to use, clear and accurate. It was the occasional (and it was occasional, not continual) unreliability that was the issue.
 
Nice honest write up, 👍
Could I ask your opinion on a couple of things, firstly range finder and ballistic calculator i would never use, with the scope can you get a sharp focus and ID from the 5- 25 mag in distances from 30 to 120 yds as I’m looking to use one on a weihrauch 22 hornet with an external IR

Cheers
Phil

yds the 5-8 mag would suit me if the image is clear
Have a look at the photos on post 36 & 37. Some are at 25x mag and 200m. Not quite crystal, but pretty fine detail is clear and visible. Compare with the photo from the Alpex on post 39 (max mag is 14x) and you can see the difference!
 
We have the 3-15 X-Sight 5 non LRF on super discount at the moment - PM me if interested. But as discussed, they won't fit a Blaser saddlemount due to the control box size and ring spacing; but on a weihrauch you would have no problems of course.
Thanks. Can you pm me a cost please as per above
Cheers
Phil
 
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