Loose shotgun slugs legislation

[Scorzy]

Greetings everyone!

Can I have you advise about loose slugs possession legality in the UK. I'm runnig into some contradictory information here and there:

Buck and Slug: frequently ask questions - no FAC required as per A8
Firearms Act 2023 - FAC required as per part 2. Though the header says "Possessing component parts of ammunition with intent to manufacture" - imho this may be read as "there should be at least powder and primers around to render situation as an offence".

Is there any sound clarification on this? Example: a person decides to produce and sell them here as loose inert pieces - does he need to get a whole FAC to get such business running properly?

P.S. found this one as well - https://researchbriefings.files.par...N-2023-0039/2023-0039-Firearms-Bill-LARGE.pdf page 5 covers a bit this "intent to manufacture" - does anyone know what criteria they take into consideration to have this point proven?

 

[enfieldspares]

You do not need s1 to manufacture and sell shotgun slugs as the person committing any offence would be any person having them with that "intent to manufacture".

However you need also to be aware of the Greenwood case of some two decades ago where selling legitimately de-activated guns and chamber reamers didn't at all go well for father and son Greenwood even though AFAIK they themselves did not re-activate even a single weapon.

Casement was "hanged on a comma". The Greenwood's were jailed on the "nod and winks" they gave to buyers of their products. The person producing and selling shotgun slugs needs to make sure that any "nod and winks" cannot be implied.

Sending out loading information with said projectiles may be all that is needed to impugn such.

Pair face jail for huge gun racket

Father and son supplied thousands of deactivated arms and tools to convert them back into murder weapons.

www.theguardian.com

 

[enfieldspares]

More on "nods and winks" below:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/father-and-son-convicted-of-selling-firearms-75520.html

 

[Scorzy]

Thank you enfieldspares for the prompt reply! Would "nod and winks" in the business case I mentioned above be not checking FAC of the customers and basically not caring who in result gets them? So far this is the only thing I can imagine here.
Is there any guidline to understand where seller's liability ends here? From what I see - all communication with customers should be stored to prove your best knowledge of their intends
P.S. I'm not even sure a private person - say a sole trader - is eligible for collecting 3rd party FAC data for whatever reason.

 

[enfieldspares]

Thank you enfieldspares for the prompt reply! Would "nod and winks" in the business case I mentioned above be not checking FAC of the customers and basically not caring who in result gets them? So far this is the only thing I can imagine here.
Is there any guidline to understand where seller's liability ends here? From what I see - all communication with customers should be stored to prove your best knowledge of their intends
P.S. I'm not even sure a private person - say a sole trader - is eligible for collecting 3rd party FAC data for whatever reason.

I have asked that question of the PSNI (Police Service Northern island) in respect of some .270 Winchester loose bullets I was selling. They emailed back to say that there was no control there on such and therefore, as I read the reply, I could sell as if the things to an individual resident there as if they were no different from a bag of loose nuts and bolts. I'd guess that loose shotgun slugs would be the same as loose cast lead bullets. No documentation required to purchase. However seeking advice on SD is often giving a value to it above the worth of what it has cost.